During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Goku Black
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Jay
XANA and Jay
Abstain on Sun Goddess
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Didn't someone on here say they were gonna discuss novel! Dodgson? From the Jurassic Park franchise? What happened to that?
jjj
Lizzid people!
PM them.
to XANA and Jay Newman. Abstain on the Sun Goddess.
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XANA & Jay.
Before I begin working on Shuriki I apologise if I came across as too abrassive, its just that I was very frustrated about people not getting the myth I post.
to Jay Newman.
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- The Elder Scrolls: The Infernal City & Lord of Souls:
- Vuhon, better known as Lord Umbriel, was a Dunmer scientist who invented the Ingenium to keep the floating meteorite known as the Ministry of Truth above Vivec City, using the souls of living beings as fuel. Vuhon, jealous over having his affections spurned years ago, tried to use his rival Sul's beloved as fuel for the Ingenium, and refused to own up to any of the subsequent destruction when Morrowind was devastated as the Ministry of Truth fell from their confrontation, torturing Sul for years when they were trapped in Oblivion. Finally escaping upon making a pledge with the Daedric entity Umbra, Vuhon became lord of the flying city of Umbriel, burning countless more souls to fuel the Ingenium that let the city fly and allowing countless Umbrielians known as "skraws" to live short, agonized lives as slaves tending to the city's sump. Vuhon destroys the city of Lilmoth upon being summoned into Tamriel and has his undead armies raze their way across the country, willing to annihilate the Imperial City if they give him trouble and saying all the lives spent to power Umbriel are worth it to emancipate himself from Oblivion and rule Umbriel forever.
- Minister Hierem is a backstabbing, influential noble in the Imperial Empire and the second-most powerful man in the nation. Seeking even more power, Hierem attempts to overthrow the Emperor and kill any and all rivals, trying to have Prince Aberron assassinated alongside over fifty of his own men and later torturing Aberron with Mind Rape, a violation severe enough to leave Aberron near broken despair. Hierem orchestrates Umbriel's passage into Tamriel by ensuring the city comes over and destroys Lilmoth, actively undermining efforts to stop its path of slaughter while intending to betray Vuhon and become a god by siphoning off all the souls Vuhon has collected for himself.
Goku Black
Found this on Beholder 2
- Complete Monster: Albert DeSalvo. Evan, in one of the endings, to the point of creeping out even DeSalvo himself.
I thought sharks were my friends.
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Cut it.
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Okay, A) that's a ZCE, and B) it's even WORSE than that because how does a CM creep HIMSELF out? Unless it's a Torquemada-like situation.
Edited by ACW on Aug 5th 2019 at 7:07:58 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
I THINK that hes creeped out by a guy named Evan rather then Even
I thought sharks were my friends.
I know it doesn't matter at this point, but another offense was putting it on the main page.
RIP KissAnime.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
This is true.
That's even worse. That's 2 ZCE's in one entry; if one creeps out another can both be a CM?; and I'm not sure "in one of the endings" even works. Just cut the whole thing.
Goku Black
And....It's gone.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Zero Context examples. They unfortunately still exist to this day. Well, I only got one thing to say to that. BURN IT!
Jay. And the the guy who wanted to discuss Dodgson reported back after finishing the novel and concluded that he didn't do enough to qualify and there wasn't any new info to bring to the table after he got voted down last time. So he decided not to EP him.
Edited by TommyFresh on Aug 5th 2019 at 6:06:22 AM
I thought sharks were my friends.
Two weeks, dude!
Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Aug 5th 2019 at 6:25:38 AM
RIP KissAnime.
@Keshali It hasn’t been two weeks yet. Now is not the time to discuss that.
Edited by Michealthehero21 on Aug 5th 2019 at 6:20:08 AM
What happened about that experiment Dodgson performed that supposedly killed ten people? Offscreen villainy?
Edited by username2527 on Aug 5th 2019 at 6:24:49 AM
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to Jay
I have no idea what I am doing