Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

My information about those characters is second-hand, so I'm not sure of its accuracy/not voting against Ultimate Deadpool and Goblin at this point.

@14479: Here's my rundown on Butch Cavendish. When he first appears he's being transported as a prisoner on a train to be executed in town. When he busts out, he and his men rig the train he was on, filled with innocent people, to be derailed. In his next appearance, Butch and his gang slaughter the posse sent to collect them: killing main character, Will Reid, and mortally wounding Dan Reid, the sheriff who is also Wills brother. Before Dan dies, however, Butch cuts out and eats his heart, confirming the rumors of cannibalism that surround Butch. Other crimes Butch commits throughout the movie includes murdering the spokesman of a group of slaves who refuses to continue mining because of the constant cave ins, and threatening to rape Dans wife when he encounters her again ("What you got that makes those boys so hot under the collar? Might be I'll have a taste.") It's also revealed in flashback that Butch and his brother were rescued from death by Tontos tribe when Tonto was a child. After discovering a massive silver mine near the tribes location, Butch and his brother massacre the entire tribe to keep the location of the mine a secret. Years later, in order to collect all of the silver in the mine, which is on land owned by the Comanche Indian tribe, Butch has his gang pose as Comanche and conduct raids on settlements so people will wrongfully believe the Comanche have violated their treaty with the Americans. With their treaty violated, that would allow Butchs brother, to build his railroad on their land and easily collect the silver. These framed attacks also have the side effect of triggering a war between the US army and the Comanche, which led to the complete eradication of the Comanche. Butch shows no love or loyalty to anyone. He threatens to kill his own men for cowardice and he and his brother seem to hate each other, only working together because of necessity. Driven by greed and sadism, Butch is one of the most evil Disney villains ever created. Also, whether the movie is worth seeing? Meh, didn't love it, didn't hate it. It had some funny moments and the chase scene at the end was pretty cool, but overall it was kind of average. And shame on them for wasting Helena Bonham Carter.

edited 12th Jul '13 11:35:10 AM by OccasionalExister

You know what? I'm past caring about fixing other peoples' bad works.

Cut them and let them come here and explain them if they think they count.

EDIT: Lone Ranger was a godawful film, but Cavendish counts

edited 12th Jul '13 11:34:25 AM by Lightysnake

So he'd go on the Disney page? Should we add a link on the top of the Film page to the Disney page?

So just cut the remaining King examples (sans Atropos) and Marvel examples and leave a note?

edited 12th Jul '13 11:47:06 AM by ACW

Yes. Or PM the ones who added them.

edited 12th Jul '13 11:49:43 AM by Lightysnake

This weekend. Maybe.

EDIT: And wasn't someone gonna do an Atropos writeup?

EDIT 2: Done. That was strangely cleansing. Think I'll do that from now on.

EDIT 3: Since we agreed on the baddie from Machete, add him to the Film Sandbox?

edited 12th Jul '13 12:52:42 PM by ACW

Yep, add Torrez.

Yes, add him.

Done.

One attempted write-up for Doctor Poison II, coming up.

• Doctor Poison II has only had a few appearances, but has made up for that with the sheer ugliness of the crimes she commits. The granddaughter of a Japanese war criminal, she has continued her grandmother's research, creating new toxins and diseases with which to infect the world. Kidnapping a man named Richard Agoras, Doctor Poison subjected him to lengthy torture and experimentation, ultimately using the Pandora Virus to mutate him into a hideous monster, and unleashing him on Wonder Woman. When captured following this incident, Doctor Poison unleashed the Pandora Virus into the atmosphere, endangering millions of lives. Escaping custody, Poison joined Queen Clea's new Villainy Incorporated, and helped to overrun the nation of Skartaris, requesting that any prisoners they took be turned over to her for further use in her experiments. Obsessed with producing the perfect toxic agents and little else, and making her appearance as horrible as possible in order to maximise fear in her victims, Doctor Poison is as bad as a Mad Scientist can get.

I do not know much about the comics but it looks like a good writeup to me.

On a related note I would just like to say that Butch Cavendash sounds like Roarke but 10 times worse. Seriously, he's a canableistic serial killer/ Bad Boss who's willing to start a war and cause mass murder just to make himself rich? I think he might be the single darkest Disney villain ever created thus far, which is saying a lot with characters like Frollo, Shan Yu, the coachman, Xeahanort, and Roarke. How is the Lone Ranger even rated pg 13 with a villain like that? I do not know much aboust the Lone ranger franchisce, but isn't it supposed to be kid friendly?

Being blunt, the movie has an awful identity crisis and has no idea what it's doing. It has scenes that are shockingly dark, and then goes to whacky comedy like nothing happened.

On the subject of Cavendash, something that might be warrant mentioning is he's the one villain in the film to push the Lone Ranger to try to violate his Thou Shalt Not Kill philosophy (he has him at gunpoint and TRIES to shoot him but is out of bullets) due to everything he'd done by that point. When he has the chance to kill Butch's brother Cole, he simply opted to shoot the gun out of his hand (Tanto finished him off), but Butch is such a heartless monster he tries to kill him.

Also, while Cole seems to be a Well-Intentioned Extremist who thinks he's helping progress (or paints himself as such), Cavendash is portrayed as nothing but a hedonistic sociopath who simply wants to get rich and does whatever he wants without caring who he hurts.

I noticed on YMMV.In The Loop that Linton was cut and I was going to request he be removed from the Film page, but I wanted to verify it here first.

Same thing for the YMMV.Enter The Dragon entries.

Also, the Scarface entries were removed. Was that a thread decision?

Also, since it was decided to remove The Woman in Black entry from the Literature page, what's the decision for the entry on the Film page?

Wait, should we remove Mr. Han? He seems to be a qualifier

Thought of a couple more X-Men possibilities, both from relatively obscure miniseries.

The first is from the Morlocks miniseries, one of the approximately ten krillion short-lived series chronicling various aspects of mutant life that surfaced in the wake of the mutant boom under Grant Morrison. This one chronicled mutants on the run from the law, and the antagonist was Dr. Thomas Metellus, commander of a Sentinel base operating out of Chicago. He's got your standard mutant-hater rapsheet, but his gimmick is that he orders his henchmen to film the execution of every mutant his Sentinels go after, which he then watches with the enjoyment one would their favorite movie. I'm concerned he doesn't stack with Pierce though, whom he seems basically like a less-effective version of and who has a body-count in the mid-triple digits, something it seems unlikely a four-issue miniseries villain could measure up to.

Second, we have the Big Bad of the Wolverine: The Best There Is limited series, Contagion. Contagion was the product of a eugenics experiment by Dr. Doom, to create super-powered children, and he was born with his body containing every disease known to man, which he was immune to. Eventually, he trained to be able to release them at will. He betrayed Doom and began his plan to make a disease that could kill literally anything. He kidnapped the people with the most powerful healing factors in the MU (in a nice bit of Continuity Porn, many of them had only one or two appearances prior to this) and infected them over and over with his diseases, to make them more potent by pitting them to adapt against their powerful antibodies. His end goal? As mentioned, create a disease that can kill anything, turn it loose on the world, then distribute it to the entire universe via a stolen Shi'ar spaceship, leaving him as ruler of an entire cosmos of corpses. He also abuses his son, who he used as bait to catch Wolverine for his "experiments" (knowing Logan will never refuse to help out kids) and once his "Unkillable" followers/test subjects ceased being useful he condemned them to various And I Must Scream fates (one with his head encased in a block of wood, another repeatedly eaten alive by insects, which she'd constantly regenerate from, etc.). I'm more confident in him qualifying than Metellus.

edited 14th Jul '13 12:19:36 PM by HamburgerTime

Metellus doesn't seem to count (does he even hurt children like Pierce?). Contagion though...yikes. If he has moral agency, then I vote

Contagion definitely has moral agency. At one point he casually says "I am the bad guy."

Contagion sounds like a keeper.

Speaking about Good Fellas film, I think Tommy Devito should be discussed again. Yes, originally was listed, but was removed by having good relationship with his mother. This is enough for disqualify him? Tommy did a lot of evil things: he brutally killed a friend (Billy Batts), feel zero guilt or remorse, he threw a glass at a man in the head, killed a man with a knife in the head and then killed a young man for a reason just pathetic. Tommy just faked love for his mother with the intention that she thinks he is a good person. We have also exceptions to these cases of Even Bad Men Love Their Mamas (an example is Frieza from Dragon Ball Z, but it is obvious that we can not remove him for being one of the most evil villains in the series).

edited 14th Jul '13 4:39:04 PM by LLCJ

If he DOES love his mother (even if Frieza does), he's not a COMPLETE monster.

Frieza never actually shows any affection for his father.

If he shows affection for either of his parents than he should be cut.

Also, as a general thing, unless there's evidence that a character is faking emotional attachments, there's no reason to assume that they are as a means of including them (one time that I have been persuaded on the "faking it" angle was with Moriarty in regard to Moran (who clearly does care for his boss) in Sherlock Holmes).

In some cases, we don't give the benefit of the doubt. Moriarity is shown to treat everyone as an asset to be discarded if they outlive their usefulness. Moran is simply a better asset

Tommy, however, seems to care about his buddies and his mother. Can't qualify him as he has some good qualities