During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I'm Sad Frogerson.
Just a heads up, that appears to be a fan script.
Professor Gigachad
Oh, well in that case it can just go in that section.
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BTW, I learned something today (and this may affect links): Redlinks with over 64 characters break the wicks of the page they're on.
"The Juice is Loose."
Yes to Darkseid.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Darkseid (the fact that it's fan made explains a lot)
The Moron
Ah, that explains it - thanks for that, I'll be sure to be a bit more thorough in my research next time!
to Script!Darkseid
Barb / Temporary Kylo
to Darkseid
Personally I'm fine leaving the bit of him trying to have Ashoka killed. But, should we mention him destroying Alderaan? That's one of his most infamous crimes, committed in both continuities, in the movie that started the whole franchise.
The First man
Somehow, Gonkatine Returned
Professor Gigachad
I would be fine with adding that, but can I ask why do you want to keep that part, like he isn't really doing anything that bad besides being a bit too eager about it.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Dec 21st 2021 at 4:26:25 AM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
So, jujutsu is actually reserved by me and Riley but real cool of everyone to just ignore the post. Fine with them handling Mahito atm
Edited by Lightysnake on Dec 21st 2021 at 4:24:52 AM
Sure to Darkseid but they literally just asked to take this. It’s not even a case of months going by and it being forgotten.
Professor Gigachad
How about this for a change to Tarkin's entry that takes out his Ahsoka action but adds his destruction of Alderaan.
- Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin is one of the highest-ranking officers in the Galactic Empire and one of their most infamously cruel. Even before his integration into the Empire, the utterly sociopathic Tarkin showed resentment towards the Jedi. During his time in the empire, Tarkin infamously destroyed Alderaan simply to set an example of what would happen if anyone crossed the empire. Tarkin's only response to any of his atrocities is a cold, smug sense of satisfaction. A Knight Templar par excellence, Tarkin exercised cruelty nightmarish even by the standards of the Empire despite not even being a Sith, coldly dismissing Berch Teller's words to his protocol with "[E]vil will have to do." His multitude of said evil can be found in various canon works below; as well as in the Legends section (which includes Death Star) and the Legends video game Empire at War.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Dec 21st 2021 at 4:54:58 AM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Barb / Temporary Kylo
Abstain on Mahito
@Ordeux
Well I just don't see a problem with keeping it, he's not potrayed as sympathetic in the episode and it's a display he was a bastard even before the Empire.
The First man
The Emperor of Evil!
to Darkseid and Mahito
Professor Gigachad
But that action doesn't show he was a bastard. Again nothing that Tarkin was doing with that is illegal or even wrong he was trying to catch and convict who he thought was a genuine criminal who committed a horrible crime. The death plenty is already a thing that the Star Wars universe had for a long time. The only reason it's not portrayed as sympathetic is that we as the audience know that Ahsoka is innocent but Tarkin has every reason to believe she is not.
Mahito
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Dec 21st 2021 at 4:48:58 AM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Somehow, Gonkatine Returned
Sure to Mahito (apologies for ignoring that one).
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Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Did he say he wouldn't, or just threaten to but do it anyway?
As for Mahito...I need to know more about the heinous standard.
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Professor Gigachad
Checking the wiki yeah he didn't, seems I was misremembering the scene, I will fix that.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Barb / Temporary Kylo
Well that kinda feels like nitpicking, in the show itself he's presented in a negative light for it, and it helps the 'Even before his integration into the Empire the Utterly sociopathic Tarkin displayed resentment to the Jedi' part to actually say stuff he did at the time
Edited by Snoketrope on Dec 21st 2021 at 4:56:45 AM
The First man
Professor Gigachad
If you want that line to actually say something he did we could replace it with something that is actually bad.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
This is dragging on. Please just leave it if people are fine with it Ordeaux… wanting to get consensus is fine but don’t tell Snoke he’s wrong or snip at him that it should be replaced with something “actually bad”.
Professor Gigachad
that was meant to be more of a suggestion, maybe it came across a bit badly.
I have another idea we could add that he showed resentment to the Jedi despite them saving his life which does show he is pretty ungrateful even them.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Dec 21st 2021 at 5:08:08 AM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
I’d really rather you sat back and waited on more input. The Palpatine and Tarkin general entries were made after a long talk about what should and shouldn’t go in. Let’s not rush in to change things until we’ve got a good number of opinions in.
Yes to Darkseid. Aside from Batman being Mary Sue, that still sounds better than Snyder Cut.
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