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Someone else on Julia?

for the ancient creature, Baphomet and Deskari, Beryl, Izual, Clem, Cooper, Doc, the demon, the Pastor Demon, Stargher, the Sherrif of Kent, and Julia.

I'm not sure on Julia. Does she care about his boss. Your response is that her species is Always Chaotic Evil which uh isn't really a good counterargument ?

I believe it's the same case as Bellatrix with Lord Voldemort. And her species had actually dominated and destroyed many planets, including their birth one and Mars. They are like parasites (someone like the cat-like aliens of Kid Vs Kat, that invade, dominate, then destroy the planet).

Potential candidates for Kamen Rider's Complete Monster Section. All From Kamen Rider Saber

• Isaac Kanda/Master Logos
• Zooous
• Storious

Edited by CartoonAllStars on Sep 27th 2021 at 4:06:07 AM

Dude, do you have access to it? Feel free to watch the episodes and propose candidates.

Demon, Pastor, Stargher and Sheriff

Do the reptilians have a choice in what they do?

Yes, they have moral agency and know what is right and wrong.

Gonna hang off on Julia until Mir’s concerns are addressed. Ravok and I are taking another look at the original Code Geass anime. Got at least one, maybe two new keepers coming but holy fuck, the heinous standard practically means soldier-level monsters are committing crimes you’d see Big Bad Gundam CMs do.

Caio this is getting annoying. You need to elaborate more on the agency other than just “they have it”. Address the concerns or I’m not voting on her.

Edited by 43110 on Sep 27th 2021 at 7:21:06 AM

....going to guess right off the bat one of the keepers is VV. Not sure about any others in the anime itself since I don't remember anyone else low tier particuarly heinous, but your mention of a "soldier-level CM" indicates another Luciano.

Edited by xie323 on Sep 27th 2021 at 4:56:50 AM

I don't know if it is enough, but they act like normal human, including impersonathing them. Julia herself could stole the identity and pass as the true doctor, showing they have intelligence. Sorry, I don't know how to describe moral agency like you want.

In that video, she says: "I did the GOOD and the Evil, the evil and the good, like all the creatures did."

In another moment, the true leader of the repitilians (that is not Julia) says they want to wipe out humans because humans destroy the enviromnent.

The videos are in portuguese, because that's a brazillian soap opera.

Edited by caio202 on Sep 27th 2021 at 9:03:57 AM

I am going to abstain on Julia.

ACW: Final Fantasy VII: Sephiroth is now a thing.

I don't know if it can help, but Julia thinks the human race is inferior.

Huh, I've actually watched quite a bit of Os Mutantes when I was a kid, it's a major Guilty Pleasure of mine.

With the EP's information in mind, I'm leaning on Julia. I clearly remember that big portions of the trilogy were told from her perspective, she's "human" enough to make me confident that agency is not an issue, at least for now.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 27th 2021 at 9:45:09 AM

So what about being angry when her commander is offed?

She is a jingoist that despises human and get angry when her commander is killed by one of them, since she sees the human as enemies. About her care, it would be a disqualifying factor, but I will leave you to decide if it is actually disqualifying or if is something like the Bellatrix's loyalty to Voldemort (in Harry Potter, there's a scene, at least in the movie, in which she offers to help Voldemort).

Edited by caio202 on Sep 27th 2021 at 10:20:53 AM

Izu, Clem, Doc, the Demon, the other Demon, Starg, bad Sheriff

Not really sure on Julia. Like, what 43 said. Anyone heard of an old Chinese idiom, "longer speeches contains more errors?"

Just gonna stay out of the Julia situation for now and jump in with the next All-Star Western, although this time, we're going back to the beginning. At first, we follow Jonah stuck in Gotham following various bounties, and soon enough we meet our first Arc Villain, who is much worse than he appears on first glance.

Who is Thurston Moody? What does he do?

Thurston Moody is the director of sanitation for Gotham City - and is secretly a member of the Court of Owls, so we already know the kind of person he is. He is introduced asking Jonah to find his lost son, offering a handsome reward for his return - like a standup guy, right? Except the investigation leads to Jonah stumbling on an orphan boy who similarly went missing several years ago, found recently having clearly been living in the sewer for that time. The boy himself is left physically and mentally incapable, but Jonah and Amadeus Arkham manage to figure out where the kid was - an entire child slavery ring happening right underground, essentially creating a base for the Court of Owls.

After a series of misadventures, Jonah interrogates one of the soldiers of the operation who reveals that they wouldn't have taken Moody's kid - Thurston Moody is in charge of the entire operation, specifically targeting poorer children because he knew the police wouldn't bother to look for them. He's been doing this for years to create this base - the people who actually kidnapped his kid were a pair of parents who had their own son captured and kidnapped Moody's kid because he knew it would get proper attention.

Of course, Moody being a cowardly bastard, by the time the son is recovered, he's already fucked off to New Orleans after lying to his wife about where he was going or any way of knowing that his son was alright - knowing that the Court would come after him for his mistakes made him get out of town as fast as possible, ostensibly to protect their interests but clearly to save their sorry ass. However, despite Jonah not being able to find him for a while, the Talon gets there first, and after a pitiful display of begging for his life, the Talon slits his throat.

Any mitigating factors? Freudian Excuse?

The first one where there might be an issue, but ultimately I don't think it's disqualifying. Moody has a son, and he gets involved in the plot in the first place because the son goes missing and he hires Jonah to find him. However, it's made very clear that when the chips are truly down, Moody only cares about himself. Not only does he not participate in the search himself in any meaningful capacity, but as soon as his own child slave operation gets exposed and the Court of Owls comes after him, he peaces the fuck out of town without bothering to see if his son ever made it home. He even lies to his wife about where he's going. Ultimately, he then dies without ever mentioning his son again, and there are a few hints that the relationship was loveless to begin with - aside from the fact that he asks for Jonah's help with the same amount of energy as I would ask for help finding a lost toothbrush, when Jonah tells the son that his father is a monster, the son believes him immediately and declares that he hates his father and everything he is (compare to his wife who is in tearful denial). Ultimately, beyond the token effort of getting other people to look for him, Moody never makes any real attempt to show that he cares about his son, and ultimately values his own life more once the Court comes knocking and he flees without caring whether or not he's alright.

Is he heinous enough?

Child slaves, people. We're talking a year-long operation of child slaves, with poorer children specifically being chosen because the police wouldn't look for them. By the time one of the children is found, he is mentally and physically incapable of doing pretty much anything and dies within a day. This dude is fucked up.

Final verdict?

And another yes - what about you?

Moody

Yes to Moody.

to Moody

To Julia

Thurston Moody

to Moody

Yes to Thurston and I'll just give a hint for the Geass stuff and say it's not going to be a member of the royal family. The only who you can argue doesn't love at least one other family member, including V.V. sadly, is Schneizel and his massive ego and narcissism aside, is still a Well-Intentioned Extremist who has moments indicating he's got standards, as well as being genuinely Affably Evil and he's strongly indicated to have at least a Villainous Friendship with Kanon, who he doesn't mind acting as his conscience.