Kyon: Big Damn Hero

I skimmed through Editor-in-Chief but I didn't find any information about her hair color. Similarly, the manga doesn't have a colored illustration of her. If I have to bet I would say Miyoko has that tone of brown hair that looks a lot lighter under a proper illumination, pretty much like Kyouko's I suppose.

About the A-Cup Angst thing, I don't remember Miyoko being concerned or anything. Could someone refresh my memory?

More pictures from the manga.

• Hakase-kun◊ (a.k.a. the boy with glasses)
• Mori◊, scary-mode on.
• Dimensional anchor◊.
• Sakanaka 1◊, 2◊ & 3◊.
• Assuming that the pattern in Tsuruya's yukata◊ is the sigil of the Tsuruya family, then I have to say it's pretty lame, IMHO.
• Sasaki◊.

edited 27th Aug '12 5:25:18 PM by Specular

OK, this is gonna be a MAD crazy WMG, but I unfortunately was inspired by theat pic of Sasaki you posted, Specular (she looked scarily similar to Haruhi with those headphones on). So...

I believe that Sasaki is a representation of Haruhi's ego, while Haruhi herself is the id and Yasumi (missing for reasons I will explain soon) is the super-ego. After all, Sasaki and Haruhi are polar opposites of each other (ying and yang, creation and destruction, rational and instinct, etc.), and from what is believed, Yasumi represents what becomes the compromise point (e.g.: her knowledge and control over her powers, from Sasaki, with Haruhi's raw power, having the ability to create her own shinjins).

Now, with Yasumi never being present, since the timeline did not split, Haruhi's instability is not solved after she meets Sasaki, because Haruhi's instinctual fear overpowers anything attempted by Yasumi, the super-ego. So, how does Harui's super-ego become part of her decision process again? To answer that, you need to look at SF-3's Memory Gambit. As we know, Haruhi "forgot" her powers. However, what if she didn't forget, but instead, Yasumi (as the super-ego) finally asserts her presence and becomes the filter for the id (Haruhi)? This leads to Haruhi's personality now, which is like her personality from before the meeting with Sasaki. From there, Character Development came to play, and so, we have what we have now.

From what I know, Japaense family crests are generally rather simplistic in comparison to European heraldry. Hell, the Imperial Family of Japan's crest is basically just a yellow circle with very simple-designed symmetric subdivisions. As for the symbol in that pic, it looks like a stylized bird, which fits with how the tsuru in Tsuruya means "crane".

edited 28th Aug '12 6:56:46 AM by MarqFJA

@ Specular, "Hakase-kun": It's a boy? Huh...

@ Tsuruya in a kimono: I remember someone linked a picture of her wearing a much more elaborate design. It was from some other manga, something comedic IIRC. Does anyone remember it's name?

: Two problems with that theory:

A. There is no "Yasumi" in K:BDH at this point, as "Closed Space Haruhi" fulfills that role to some extent with her desire to find a "happy ending" between herself and the other girls in the SOS Brigade, among other things. She struggles with her issues of jealousy getting in the way of that, which is the other part of why she's using said Memory Gambit in the first place...

B. As far as characters go at this point, if Haruhi can be perceived as the id as per your theory, then I would think that Sasaki would, as her opposite, be the super-ego, and Yasumi would be the ego, being the compromise point between the two.

Also, the way that you describe them makes me think that your theory draws more from the canonverse than from K:BDH, which is kinda an important thing to note. A bit of a quibble from me, but I thought that I should point it out.

As for the pic, I have had a similar thought, and an even crazier WMG to state:

Haruhi and Sasaki will, at some point, be able to combine their powers and become one being in order to repel the Combine Advisors and their army. Kyon, of course, will be glad about the help, and the two girls, as one, will give him a kiss that will be very difficult to forget, putting him into a Post-Kiss Catatonia like no other...

Also, since Haruhi developed certain powers that are somewhat similar to a Touhou character, it would come to reason that Sasaki will end up doing the same, but in a very different way. Bonus point if the skills displayed end up showing a sort of parallel with the Touhou characters that they cosplayed as... Or maybe the opposite of said characters... *

Edit: Gah!! I've been ninja'd!

...it's been a while since that happened, kitsu.

edited 28th Aug '12 8:31:05 AM by MadKitsu

Remind me which Touhou characters did Haruhi and Sasaki cosplay as.

...I think you confused ego and super-ego. It's the super-ego that creates the compromise, not the ego.

As for the rest, I think that Closed-Space!Haruhi is actually an amalgam of Haruhi's id and super-ego (Yasumi) more than a seperate entity in her concious, which is why Closed-Space!Haruhi, even being the rational part of the concious, still asks for a kiss from Kyon, a trait that leaks over from the libido, an important part of the id.

edited 28th Aug '12 11:14:28 AM by Jbstormburst

Haruhi was Marisa, and Sasaki was Reimu. At least that's what I remember them as.

Other way around, dude. Super-ego is the lawgiver. Ego is the balancing compromiser.

@Specular: I was actually misremembering a scene during the beach chapters, it was Kanae who had the A-Cup Angst in that scene, but her comment applied to Miyoko so my point stands.

I don't get the idea that cs!Haruhi is a particular part of Haruhi's personality. If anything, she's a superset: Haruhi, without the memory blocks surrounding the true unlimited nature of her power and what happens in closed space. There's not much to do with psychology there.

Actually, I think I remember Miyoko having A-Cup Angst at some point, when she was at some sort of get-together with the SOS Brigade.

I think I remember her having it at some point too, but I can't remember the specific scene. I thought it was that one.

I think the scene that I'm thinking of involved her secretly getting jealous over Koizumi, and worrying that the "new girl" (not sure who it was) was going to steal him away with her busty figure.

Wasn't she the one who called Haruhi, Mikuru, and Haruka "Busty, Busty-er and Leggy"? I think it might have been at the beach.

No, that was the girl when they were visiting Kyon's cousins in 'When they Cry' -ville.

Re: Tsuruya Family crest.

That's the reason why I think that symbol◊ is supposed to be the family crest, but IMO it looks like the mangaka didn't put much effort on design it.

Due to some bizarre logic*

symbol of the old

this thing

Re: Freudian Trio.

Maybe Jungian psychology could provide a better description, with Sasaki and Haruhi representing each other's shadows (the aspects of their own personality they don't recognize or accept). At the beginning, that's it.

Re: Miyoko.

@Specular: I was actually misremembering a scene during the beach chapters, it was Kanae who had the A-Cup Angst in that scene, but her comment applied to Miyoko so my point stands.

Get-together? That probably was the anniversary of the Brigade in CBS-3. IIRC, the only things that bothered Miyoko during the party were Koizumi arriving with definitely-not-his-girlfriend Mori and the Ship Sinking dialogue between Sakanaka and Kunikida.

The Nicknamer was Matsuri, Keiichi and Rika's daughter.

Random topic.

How do you think Sasaki would fare within the ranks of the Tsuruya-tachi? For some reason I got the idea she would make a superb mob lawyer and/or accountant in the future (probably working directly under Kyon, if she gets a say in the matter).

Edit: Updated link.

edited 28th Aug '12 8:03:54 PM by Specular

Ah, my bad. Something felt off about it, but my mind totally blanked on the Higurashi chapters I guess.

: When I read the article about Shadow psychology, I was reminded of the Persona series. I'm guessing that that is what they had used as one of their concepts, kitsu...

...and if Haruhi and Sasaki can be considered as such to each other to some degree, then...

Ahah!

They'll end up having to confront each other, and sparks are really going to fly at that point, possibly. That's... going to be quite ugly, isn't it?

Why do I have a feeling that the current situation could easily turn bad, and if Cerebus Syndrome decides to rear it's head now, that it likely will?

edited 29th Aug '12 3:07:37 AM by MadKitsu

I'm pretty sure Cerebus arrived along with the clear and present threat of an extradimentional invasion.

Does Cerebus Syndrome even apply to something that had more drama than comedy to begin with?

It's a borderline case; the drama was certainly present from early on, but there are definitely points that seem to escalate the level of consequences we can expect said drama to impose. The three biggest for me were Kyon dangling someone out of a window, Kyon getting shot, and dimensional invaders catching Kyon with his metaphorical pants down and nearly blasting Nonoko's head from her shoulders for good measure. Hm, now that I think about it, there are probably two or three other points I could mention as well.

Yeah, but Cerebus Syndrome is more than that. What you're talking about is basically upping the ante - this happens all the time in fiction without Cerebus Syndrome getting involved.

My understanding is that Cerebus Syndrome is related as much to the way the story is written as to the actual events of the story. Durandall has raised the stakes on us several times, but without an overall shift further away from comedy and towards drama. Heck, in the climax of the most dramatic segment so far (Resonance Cascade) we were shown a Kill Sat whose number of targets and max possible targets were significant number references, a Mythology Gag involving the names of Kyon's weapons, and Haruhi making an extended reference to a Touhou meme, off the top of my head.

Edit: Oh yeah and Giant Shamisen a while before that.

edited 29th Aug '12 11:07:25 AM by Eamil

@Specular RE family symbol: Are you kidding? That symbol you made is awesome-looking!