To-do list:
Consensus was to create two new namespaces for pages currently located in Useful Notes, a Platform/ namespace for media platforms (game consoles, operating systems, etc., like Nintendo Game Cube, Microsoft Windows, and Steam) and a MediaNotes/ namespace for pages containing background information on media, like How Video Game Specs Work or ANSI Standard Broadcast TV Schedule. Thus, the following will need to be done:- Go through the Useful Notes index and see which pages should be moved from UsefulNotes/ to either Platform/ or MediaNotes/.
Original post:
Useful Notes, from what I understand, is meant to be specifically about informing readers about complicated subjects that show up a lot in the media, to help them understand how to properly portray it. These subjects range from historical events to real-life locations and cultures. There's some subjectivity about what's "useful" here, but it's a pretty specific namespace otherwise.However, we also have a class of pages that really don't fit this mold. However, they're in UN because there's no better namespace for them. These are the "media history" pages, such as the pages on various game consoles. They're not work pages because these things aren't tropeworthy, they're not creator pages because they're individual works, tools, or concepts; and they're not trivia because why would they be? They're in Useful Notes because they're informative pages on things related to media, but you'd be hard pressed to say that reading UsefulNotes.Nintendo Game Cube would help you write a book. These pages serve a function that's definitely relevant to the website, but they just don't fit the intended use of Useful Notes.
The reason I'm bringing this up now is because the TRS thread for RetroGaming wants to make it UsefulNotes, which... I did vote for because at the moment there ain't no rule saying it doesn't go there, but I did make it clear that my true stance is a lot different. I didn't want to derail the discussion though, because Retro Gaming would just be another drop in the ocean, not the problem in and of itself.
This reminds me of the state of the Franchise/ namespace before Derivative Works/ was created pretty recently. The namespace was being used for things it shouldn't be used for simply because we lacked anything more suitable. So one possible solution would just be to create a new namespace for these pages, such as Media History/ or something, to preserve them as their own category.
The other solution is to just expand the definition of "Useful Notes" to include pages like these. I'm not sure I agree with this because in my opinion this would just validate some of the serious decay issues the namespace has (seriously, there are a lot of superfluous pages), but it would also be the easiest thing to do and would allow us to maintain the current status quo.
And of course, you may disagree with me that there's even a problem here at all. I'm just calling it as I see it based on my understanding of the namespace guidelines, especially as UN misuse and bloat has been called out elsewhere in the past.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 23rd 2024 at 1:25:29 PM
Should UsefulNotes.Three D Projection and UsefulNotes.Stereoscopic Imagery be moved to MediaNotes/?
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.I think they fit that namespace better than Useful Notes.
Here there be cats.Should UsefulNotes.The Bechdel Test be moved to MediaNotes/?
Edited by rmctagg09 on Apr 10th 2024 at 6:30:26 AM
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.I think it should.
Here there be cats.~Dinogal 95, when you've completed the migration of a page to the MediaNotes/ (or Platform/) namespace, please remember to add the page to either Completed Migrations — Media Notes or Completed Migrations — Less Than 15 Media Notes depending on the amount of wicks it has upon completion.
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.Here's another page that should be probably be moved to Media Notes: UsefulNotes.Movieguide. Any further thoughts?
Edit: Should UsefulNotes.Beer Commercials also be moved to Media Notes?
Edited by jlvs200s on Apr 15th 2024 at 5:47:37 PM
"Stand Proud, Sukuna, you are strong" | He/HimShould Website.IMDB and Website.Internet Archive be moved to Platform/?
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.I feel instead Amazon Freevee should be split off.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupKeep IMDB and Internet Archive on Website
The former doesn't act as a platform as much as just info about films
The latter could be argued as a platform, but it still feels iffy to me.
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation projectShouldn't Beer Commercials be under Advertisement/?
Here there be cats.That page isn't about any specific advertisement, it's covering background and history of beer commercials
So Media Notes works
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation projectShould Website.Four Chan be moved to Platform/?
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.Yes
More Moves:
- UsefulNotes.American Television Stations to MediaNotes.American Television Stations.
- UsefulNotes.Animation Companies to MediaNotes.Animation Companies
- UsefulNotes.Anime And Manga to MediaNotes.Anime And Manga
- UsefulNotes.Animation Resources to MediaNotes.Animation Resources
- UsefulNotes.Batteries Not Included to MediaNotes.Battery Non Included
- UsefulNotes.Film And TV Companies to MediaNotes.Film And TV Companies
- UsefulNotes.PEG Channel to MediaNotes.PEG Channel.
- UsefulNotes.Safe Harbor to MediaNotes.Safe Harbor.
- UsefulNotes.Television to MediaNotes.Television
- UsefulNotes.TV Strikes to MediaNotes.TV Strikes
Edited by jlvs200s on Apr 16th 2024 at 9:10:51 PM
"Stand Proud, Sukuna, you are strong" | He/HimArt Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
x4 Ah, well, makes sense.
Here there be cats.Should UsefulNotes.Fringe Festival be moved to Platform/ or MediaNotes/?
Also wondering if UsefulNotes.Role Playing should be moved to MediaNotes/.
Edited by rmctagg09 on Apr 18th 2024 at 3:51:28 PM
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.I'd say yes for both.
Here there be cats.UsefulNotes.Focal Length should be moved to MediaNotes.Focal Length.
Edited by FSharp on Apr 18th 2024 at 8:24:37 AM
Welcome to Corneria!As in UsefulNotes.Fringe Festival should also be moved to MediaNotes/?
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.Fringe and Role Play.
I think so.
Here there be cats.Should UsefulNotes.Hollywood Accounting and UsefulNotes.Red Button Interactive be moved to MediaNotes/?
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.UsefulNotes.Hollywood Accounting strikes me as a trivia item; it even has examples listed.
UsefulNotes.Red Button Interactive is definitely Media Notes/
Here there be cats.All the Playstation articles have been officially moved to Platform/.
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
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Consensus was to create two new namespaces for pages currently located in Useful Notes, a Platform/ namespace for media platforms (game consoles, operating systems, etc., like Nintendo Game Cube, Microsoft Windows, and Steam) and a second namespace for pages containing background information on media, like How Video Game Specs Work or ANSI Standard Broadcast TV Schedule. The name of the namespace for background information on media hasn't been decided yet, so what should its name be?
While dice can be used for other, non-media purposes, they are mostly used as random number generators for Tabletop Games. So move it to Media Notes/
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project