To-do list:

• Merge Heroism Addict into Engineered Heroics, which may include transplanting portions of the former's description to the latter. On-page examples will need to be moved and cleaned.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 16th 2022 at 9:22:22 AM

Opened, because the fact that the requirement for the danger to be staged is mostly ignored is a problem.

Merging Heroism Addict into Engineered Heroics (possibly including replacing the latter's description by reusing the former's) would be easier than merging in the opposite direction because the latter has significantly more wicks, but that's just my $0.02 and not a mod statement.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 10th 2022 at 4:57:04 AM

• Merge Engineered Heroics into Heroism Addict.
• Yard Engineered Heroics concept as Fake Danger Gambit.
• Maybe merge the other way around while at it, since Heroism Addict is a bit of Non-Indicative Name and sounds like Chronic Hero Syndrome, or at least nothing like what the trope is about.

I'd recommend a rename. It's separate enough from Heroism Addict to be distinct.

That's fine, too.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 10th 2022 at 4:58:20 AM

I agree with merging Heroism Addict into Engineered Heroics instead of the other way around: HA has far fewer wicks than EH does.

With only three valid examples out of a sample of 50, I'm not sure how much would be left if we renamed this without sending it to TLP (with or without Yarding it first).

Merging seems good to me (HA to EH, since I didn't even know about Heroism Addict until today, so Engineered Heroics is the more familiar name).

Not sure if the current definition of Engineered Heroics is distinct enough to work as a separate trope. AFAIK, the main point of HA and EH is that the person manufactures a situation they could play the hero in for attention & glory. Whether or not the situation involve real danger seems irrelevant.

Changing my vote to merging HA into EH and broadening EH's definition to not require the danger to be fake.

The one thing I also want to ask how Monster Protection Racket comes in. Is it distinct enough to qualify as it's own trope?

ngl I thought Heroism Addict was Chronic Hero Syndrome. Merging HA into EH would lessen any confusion with CHS too, on top of dealing with the rampant misuse and it having fewer wicks, so I'm in favor of merging

Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 10th 2022 at 10:10:03 AM

By the way Heroism Addict used to be Hero Syndrome, the real life term for such behavior, so it was even more confusing before.

Previous TRS on what was then Hero Syndrome. Seems a merge was argued for, but there was disagreement.

The biggest difference between the trope was that the "rescued" individual is in on the scheme. If we determine that the difference qualifies as The Same But More Specific, we must merge.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Oct 11th 2022 at 4:30:49 AM

Which one requires the "rescued" individual to be on the scheme? Because I'm pretty sure that most of the examples in both Engineered Heroics and Heroism Addict don't fit that criteria.

Sorry I was reading to deeply into a comment on the previous TRS.

Edit: To clarify the consent is supposed to be the difference between the tropes but in practice they are both the same. That is why we are having the TRS in the first place.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Oct 13th 2022 at 2:50:21 PM

At this point can I call for "super-consensus"?

Apologies, I skimmed the page on Crowners and misunderstood some details.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Oct 14th 2022 at 12:50:18 PM

Superconcensus is an IP thing and you still have to wait for a mod to call the crowner. I don't see any harm in waiting one more day.

I have assembled a Sandbox to merge the tropes, and I am in the process of doing so.

Hero Syndrome redirect done. There was only one wick there.

Having moved the description and on-page examples to the Sandbox, I am going to redirect Heroism Addict to Engineered Heroics.

It looks like I already added a notice to Heroism Addict's discussion page, so we're good to go when it comes to finishing up this thread (i.e., cleaning up examples).

I dewicked everything up to Characters/ and cut the Laconic. It says a lot about how redundant the two were before we merged when a lot of paragraphs or even sentences had wicks to both at the same time.

Edit: Took care of the Complete Monster-related wicks since those subpages are locked. That put us below 100 wicks.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 20th 2022 at 8:08:58 AM

How do you keep track of which wicks you've already gone over and approved?