Isolated Pages watch

Backstory: The Google Incident, The Second Google Incident, Tool's release announcement and discussion.

Isolated Pages tool.

(Mods can correct this)

tl;tr: The new tool allows us to see pages that are marked by "advertisement unfriendly" by Google's AsSense, so they are exceptions to ad placements. Almost all of them are flagged automatically by a bot. While it makes sense for pages that describe "mature topics", some of these flags may be false positive, or reacting to wording that has already been removed.

No actions are necessary, it may be difficult to prove pages don't actually have issues, and background automation makes sure flagged pages won't cause trouble, but if anyone is interested, they can check pages that are suspicious for false flagging or having explicit wording where there shouldn't be and report pages here, mods can consider making them un-flagged.

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 11th 2022 at 9:53:41 PM

If they are unflagged by mods, is there a guarantee Google won't return and flag them again? If not, I don't see much point here.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 11th 2022 at 8:56:37 PM

We can experiment to see what Google is finding objectionable. In particular, family-friendly works shouldn't be getting flagged. Any language on those articles that violates AdSense policy should be removed.

IDK, what if those flags were for content that was since deleted? There's no guarantee Google will come back. Even then, knowing what sort of things get flagged can be helpful for preventing more flags in the future.

If the articles are flagged again, we may learn something. If they are not, we get more ad revenue. Win/win as far as I'm concerned.

The nice thing is, for those pages whose "reasons" are "google" or " ", we can actually get a reason to help narrow down the problem. As I said before, the vast majority are fine, but it doesn't hurt to fix pages where we can de-isolate them.

No, but we can at least get a more specific reason why they're being flagged. As mentioned, articles for family-friendly works generally shouldn't have the sort of objectionable material that Google dislikes. This project can look for such pages and experiment to remove the objectionable content.

Huh, alright then, I'll accept it.

YMMV.Fraggle Rock seems like a illegitimate flag. It seems fine, details a kid's show, has no swears, only mentions fascists in one paragraph and an abusive relationship in another.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 11th 2022 at 9:00:54 PM

Trying that one. If "fascist" alone triggers Google, we may as well throw in the towel on some things, but maybe the example could be reworded.

Since some of the flags are pretty old and lack proper reason, how bad of an idea would it be to unflag all of them and let the bot figure out which of these should reapply?

How long does it take before a page is re-evaluated?

The script that updates the isolated pages list runs overnight. From what we've seen, the actual flagging can occur within hours.

In late March, for ... Science reasons, I manually unchecked ImageLinks.Blonde Brunette Redhead (and took out some things Google might've disliked) to remove it from the list, and the next day, it was back on the list, flagged by the bot. I haven't checked for it until today and can see now it's gone again.

I can try the same with The Proud Family. It's not a show/page that should have any objectionable content on it.

Edited by Tabs on Apr 11th 2022 at 12:29:36 PM

As a huge Fraggle Rock fan I can comment on its flagging. The right move was made editing the entry on the "Wembley and the Mean Genie" musical number to not mention fascism, it really is more totalitarian. "The Incredible Shrinking Mokey", on the other hand, really is basically about an abusive relationship, so I vote that stays, though on a different issue it IS a ZCE and probably needs expansion.

Edit: it also could be because there's a racial slur in one of the Memetic Mutation entries, albeit one part of the meme. I'm going to rewrite that entry to not state the actual slur that that Hub viewer claimed the show said.

Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Apr 11th 2022 at 4:23:18 AM

Note that we will probably want to experiment with removing/rewriting before we unflag the pages, because otherwise we don't know which version got it re-flagged. In other words, if Fraggle Rock is isolated tomorrow, we will try editing again but stop after moderation has un-flagged it to see if it worked.

What are all the potential reasons for flagging? Looking through the first few pages, I see

• Adult: Sexual content
• Shocking content
• Alcohol
• google

And what does "Shocking content" mean?

I was wondering that, too.

Shocking content would presumably be discussions of fascism, war imagery, and other charged topics that are not strictly sexual in nature.

Found a policy page.

Edited by Tabs on Apr 11th 2022 at 3:04:34 AM

Anyone have any idea where the "sexual content" on TearJerker.Avatar The Last Airbender Book One is?

No idea. There are some unneeded swears, though.

Okay, so if it is a daily check, we sorta know when it happens, otherwise it happens every 5 days or so?

Do we know if the whole site is checked every time?

Probably not the whole site every time, because Avatar's last edit was 4 months ago.

Edited by Malady on Apr 13th 2022 at 4:32:00 AM

Why the heck is Franchise.Wonder Woman on the list?

She is infamously kinky. ... Though that doesn't exactly show through in what amounts to a disambig.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Apr 13th 2022 at 8:36:06 AM

I think it's this line from the part talking about Wonder Woman (2011 pilot):

Edited by chasemaddigan on Apr 13th 2022 at 9:38:05 AM

- That's interesting, if it's just because "Size of her breasts" is the relevant phrase. I wonder what would happen if we replaced it with a wick to presumably, D-Cup Distress.