I guess not. Even when I removed three mistaken/unneeded indexes from other places, that page still reaches the limit, and it likely won't change.
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)I mean, if we're doing a vote, to listing them as indexes. As you said Synch they clutter up the bottom of the page and they don't make sense either.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallHaving taken part in the Image Source TLP back in the day, it seemed like a good idea at the time. Now I understand the issue, and Video Source certainly isn't needed, especially when there's no theoretical limit and you have entire subpages created from one dedicated fan of a single work.
Edited by GrafVonTirol on Feb 1st 2022 at 3:12:20 AM
1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die (all editions) progress: 426/1089 (39.12%)Images are, with the exception of collages, usually limited to one-source-per-page, so there's little clutter. Video examples, however, have no limit, and don't require a thorough approval process with voting periods. Any yahoo can add a video example, and add one more index onto the pile, leading to clutter.
So, let's ax them. My vote for the continued on-page listing of video source indexes is . Keep the index pages, but don't make them a proper index.
Edited by PantaroP on Feb 1st 2022 at 8:34:43 AM
Yeah, these can just be for organizational reasons and don't need to be indexes.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI agree that the video source pages cause index bloat and aren't useful enough to balance it out
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?fwiw, I put this up on the TRS Queue.
1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die (all editions) progress: 426/1089 (39.12%)Is this something that necessarily needs TRS? All we'd be doing is removing the indexing, which doesn't seem like a TRS-required action.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessAgreed; make them sub-pages if anything.
I am fine with de-indexing Video Source pages
Macron's notesFair point. Should be pretty easy to do, and I'm all for indexing only the subpages.
Edited by GrafVonTirol on Feb 8th 2022 at 2:07:56 AM
1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die (all editions) progress: 426/1089 (39.12%)I know this is a bit late, but what is the purpose of Video Source pages in general when we already have Video Examples?
Sandbox help wanted.Yeah, I'm good with keeping the subpages and de-indexing them.
oh hey how are you doing?Me and the other mods have decided to de-index the Video Source pages. There were more video source pages than I thought so I am still in the process of fixing the page types to those pages.
Also, as a sidenote, Video Source, Quote Source, and Image Source have been removed from the Trivia index and can now be found at the Administrivia index. I'll remove the trivia wicks to those pages later.
Macron's notesThank you for making a decision. Not sure if there's a justification for them (and Character-Specific Pages) not belonging on Trivia pages, but they are at least hard to update there and generally lack much information anyway.
Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 14th 2022 at 7:31:01 PM
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)Well, they aren't trivia items that you can find within works or their production so they didn't belong there. They are only notable because they catalogue wiki items so Administrivia is where they would go.
Macron's notesThank you. That does make sense.
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)I've only just learned that JustForFun.Video Overdosed is a thing, and also is an index. Anything on this matter?
Edited by GrafVonTirol on Apr 1st 2022 at 11:55:42 AM
1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die (all editions) progress: 426/1089 (39.12%)That's only one index in the vein of other overdosed ones. I don't think we need to worry here.
Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 1st 2022 at 9:37:35 PM
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)This probably isn't going to be seen, but eh.
I don't agree with the decision to remove the -Source pages from Trivia pages. Personally, they act similar to Referenced by... (which was discussed and decided on the TNTRS cleanup to be useful as a crosswicking tool), where it isn't part of the work or its development, but is related enough that it's interesting to note.
How the decision was handled also rubs me the wrong way: decided in private mod chat, announced offhandedly in some obscure thread in a niche part of the site... it's going to keep gathering trivia wicks and never be cleaned because no one even knows this is a thing that happened.
Jawbreakers on sale for 99ยขI don't see how this is like Referenced by... at all. How is cataloging Tv Tropes page images/videos/quotes trivia as defined on this site? That's not something you can observe within a work's production therefore it's not Trivia.
This thread was active at the time this was announced so I don't see this as "obscure". The threads on the left side of the forums as a whole don't get much attention. I am not sure where else such a change would be announced.
As for cleaning the Trivia/ wicks, I can make a short term clean up thread for that. I wasn't thinking about that earlier.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 4th 2022 at 1:01:35 PM
Macron's notesWell...it's "trivia"... just not capital-T-Trivia, which is about production and reception details. Rather, they're Administrivia, which is a better index that refers to how TVT looks at things.
Maybe, but as pointed out, I only found out about this decision through looking at this thread. Otherwise, how is anyone supposed to find out that Video Source isn't considered to be trivia?
EDIT: Fair enough...
Edited by HoloMew151 on Apr 5th 2022 at 9:00:44 AM
By looking at the page itself or the trivia index? I know, most people don't bother to do that, I'm just saying...
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
It needed to be asked, y'all. Video Source subpages currently clutter the bottoms of trope pages. For example, Big Bad has thirteen Video Source indexes at the very bottom.
Image Source and (to a lesser extent) Quote Source are slightly more useful, because a page can only have one pic/quote and can help us suss out duplication issues. In contrast, there's no limit to how many video examples a specific trope can have.