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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1: Feb 1st 2022 at 2:05:58 PM

It needed to be asked, y'all. Video Source subpages currently clutter the bottoms of trope pages. For example, Big Bad has thirteen Video Source indexes at the very bottom.

Image Source and (to a lesser extent) Quote Source are slightly more useful, because a page can only have one pic/quote and can help us suss out duplication issues. In contrast, there's no limit to how many video examples a specific trope can have.

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#2: Feb 1st 2022 at 2:15:00 PM

I guess not. Even when I removed three mistaken/unneeded indexes from other places, that page still reaches the limit, and it likely won't change.

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#3: Feb 1st 2022 at 3:04:47 PM

I mean, if we're doing a vote, [tdown] to listing them as indexes. As you said Synch they clutter up the bottom of the page and they don't make sense either.

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#4: Feb 1st 2022 at 3:09:33 PM

Having taken part in the Image Source TLP back in the day, it seemed like a good idea at the time. Now I understand the issue, and Video Source certainly isn't needed, especially when there's no theoretical limit and you have entire subpages created from one dedicated fan of a single work.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Feb 1st 2022 at 3:12:20 AM

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#5: Feb 1st 2022 at 5:33:09 PM

[up] Images are, with the exception of collages, usually limited to one-source-per-page, so there's little clutter. Video examples, however, have no limit, and don't require a thorough approval process with voting periods. Any yahoo can add a video example, and add one more index onto the pile, leading to clutter.

So, let's ax them. My vote for the continued on-page listing of video source indexes is [tdown]. Keep the index pages, but don't make them a proper index.

Edited by PantaroP on Feb 1st 2022 at 8:34:43 AM

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#6: Feb 1st 2022 at 5:34:48 PM

Yeah, these can just be for organizational reasons and don't need to be indexes.

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#7: Feb 1st 2022 at 8:33:08 PM

I agree that the video source pages cause index bloat and aren't useful enough to balance it out

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#8: Feb 7th 2022 at 8:41:31 PM

fwiw, I put this up on the TRS Queue.

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#9: Feb 7th 2022 at 8:44:46 PM

Is this something that necessarily needs TRS? All we'd be doing is removing the indexing, which doesn't seem like a TRS-required action.

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#10: Feb 7th 2022 at 8:52:49 PM

Agreed; make them sub-pages if anything.

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#11: Feb 8th 2022 at 9:57:08 AM

I am fine with de-indexing Video Source pages

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#12: Feb 8th 2022 at 2:07:38 PM

[up][up][up]Fair point. Should be pretty easy to do, and I'm all for indexing only the subpages.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Feb 8th 2022 at 2:07:56 AM

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#13: Feb 13th 2022 at 9:07:27 PM

I know this is a bit late, but what is the purpose of Video Source pages in general when we already have Video Examples?

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#14: Feb 14th 2022 at 3:55:11 AM

Yeah, I'm good with keeping the subpages and de-indexing them.

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#15: Feb 14th 2022 at 6:54:15 PM

Me and the other mods have decided to de-index the Video Source pages. There were more video source pages than I thought so I am still in the process of fixing the page types to those pages.

Also, as a sidenote, Video Source, Quote Source, and Image Source have been removed from the Trivia index and can now be found at the Administrivia index. I'll remove the trivia wicks to those pages later.

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#16: Feb 14th 2022 at 10:28:19 PM

Thank you for making a decision. Not sure if there's a justification for them (and Character-Specific Pages) not belonging on Trivia pages, but they are at least hard to update there and generally lack much information anyway.

Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 14th 2022 at 7:31:01 PM

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#17: Feb 14th 2022 at 10:55:42 PM

Well, they aren't trivia items that you can find within works or their production so they didn't belong there. They are only notable because they catalogue wiki items so Administrivia is where they would go.

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#18: Feb 15th 2022 at 3:11:29 PM

Thank you. That does make sense.

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#19: Apr 1st 2022 at 11:54:58 AM

I've only just learned that JustForFun.Video Overdosed is a thing, and also is an index. Anything on this matter?

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Apr 1st 2022 at 11:55:42 AM

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#20: Apr 1st 2022 at 11:58:59 AM

That's only one index in the vein of other overdosed ones. I don't think we need to worry here.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 1st 2022 at 9:37:35 PM

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#21: Apr 4th 2022 at 9:40:09 PM

This probably isn't going to be seen, but eh.

I don't agree with the decision to remove the -Source pages from Trivia pages. Personally, they act similar to Referenced by... (which was discussed and decided on the TNTRS cleanup to be useful as a crosswicking tool), where it isn't part of the work or its development, but is related enough that it's interesting to note.

How the decision was handled also rubs me the wrong way: decided in private mod chat, announced offhandedly in some obscure thread in a niche part of the site... it's going to keep gathering trivia wicks and never be cleaned because no one even knows this is a thing that happened.

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#22: Apr 4th 2022 at 9:54:26 PM

I don't see how this is like Referenced by... at all. How is cataloging Tv Tropes page images/videos/quotes trivia as defined on this site? That's not something you can observe within a work's production therefore it's not Trivia.

This thread was active at the time this was announced so I don't see this as "obscure". The threads on the left side of the forums as a whole don't get much attention. I am not sure where else such a change would be announced.

As for cleaning the Trivia/ wicks, I can make a short term clean up thread for that. I wasn't thinking about that earlier.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 4th 2022 at 1:01:35 PM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#23: Apr 4th 2022 at 9:56:00 PM

Well...it's "trivia"... just not capital-T-Trivia, which is about production and reception details. Rather, they're Administrivia, which is a better index that refers to how TVT looks at things.

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#24: Apr 5th 2022 at 12:39:27 AM

[up][up] Maybe, but as pointed out, I only found out about this decision through looking at this thread. Otherwise, how is anyone supposed to find out that Video Source isn't considered to be trivia?

EDIT: Fair enough...

Edited by HoloMew151 on Apr 5th 2022 at 9:00:44 AM

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#25: Apr 5th 2022 at 12:56:57 AM

By looking at the page itself or the trivia index? I know, most people don't bother to do that, I'm just saying...

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