Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
Per Forgo Light's suggestion, Andrias and The Core will merged together under the new Newtopia Leadership page and Aldrich will be split up from the latter and placed under a separate folder.
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And I am going to have to make some changes for the Complete Monster entry.
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~Tropers/ACW I merged Blofeld and Oberhauser
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Cool. I'll take care of that on the Bond page and YMMV.
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I was checking Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Team Avatar (48,152 bytes), and these pages had the following Byte Count:
- Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Avatar Aang (74,463 bytes)
- Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Katara (63,196 bytes)
- Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Sokka (47,928 bytes)
- Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Toph Beifong (64,908 bytes)
- Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Zuko (162,268 bytes)
Edited by kuchiki222 on Mar 10th 2024 at 8:57:43 AM
Don't have any objections to merging with the pages so go ahead.
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I do believe that is a good point regardless of how you look. But if you or others want to leave the page as it is I will be ok with it.
Edited by Echidna on Mar 10th 2024 at 12:19:30 PM
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Here is my thing with Team Avatar. I feel like it is mostly just an index at this point. So, how do we treat that? Like its the samething with the MCU: Avengers.
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That's a good question. Personally, I'm fine leaving it as is (if only to save some work); I don't know if that violates the new rules though.
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Also, my computer crashed and so I will do the Ducktales pages tonight.
That said I looked over some Scream pages.
- Scream: Recurring Characters (99,781 bytes)
- Scream: Sidney Prescott (43,473 bytes)
- Scream: Gale Weathers (41,822 bytes)
- Scream: Dewey Riley (43,931 bytes)
- Scream: Sam Carpenter (48,544 bytes)
I feel like Sidney, Gale and Dewey can be merged back which would make the page 229,007 bytes and Sam is fine as adding her would make the page 277,551 bytes.
- Scream: Ghostface (264,460 bytes)
- Scream: Jill Roberts (46,513 bytes)
Jill is fine and in fact the Ghostface page could stand to be split a bit more.
Thoughts.
Edited by Bullman on Mar 10th 2024 at 11:27:26 AM
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I'd rather keep Sidney as a page than Sam.
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Why Sam is bigger than Sidney? It makes more sense to merge back the smaller page.
Edited by Bullman on Mar 10th 2024 at 11:58:53 AM
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Isn't Sidney a more prominent character? And it's not like her page is THAT much smaller.
Edited by ACW on Mar 10th 2024 at 1:27:02 PM
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By that logic Gale is more prominent then Sidney. It doesn't matter who is more prominent but who is bigger. That type of mindset leads to the whole badge of honor thing the new rules are trying to stop. Personally, I don't think any of the three should have their own page. I would list all three (Dewey, Sidney, and Gale) in a trio page before I would list them together.
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Shrug. When I think of Scream, I think of Sidney.
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Again. That should not affect this. It should strictly be about clearing space and not who you think of. Personally, I think of Dewey, but I also think that he should be merged back.
Edited by Bullman on Mar 10th 2024 at 1:00:00 PM
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Fair enough. So they're all being merged back with the recurring characters page (except for Sam)?
EDIT: Huh, if you want to, someone did these awhile ago:
- Scream: Ghostface
- Scream Ghostface Masterminds (Jill could be added back here)
- Scream Ghostface Accomplices
Edited by ACW on Mar 10th 2024 at 2:07:31 PM
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So should I merge Katara, Sokka and Toph's pages or just Sokka's page or leave them as they are for now? Just curious.
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I am unsure. Like I said I am torn. I guess I would lean towards merging all three of the original trio. I am also good with that idea for the Ghostface page.
Edited by Bullman on Mar 10th 2024 at 1:42:33 PM
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Was that a reply to me or Kuchiki?
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You.
As for the Avatars page, I am also unsure. Like I said how do we treat pages that are basically indexes.
Edited by Bullman on Mar 10th 2024 at 1:41:53 PM
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Here's how Spidey does it (though some may need to be merged back at some point far in the future).
EDIT: Also, while Mortal Kombat's gonna be a pain in the ASS because of all the page headers which will need to be changed, plus other stuff (the first two games have 5+ character pages each, so that'll require some tallying I just don't wanna do now), here's one:
Under 130k total. Now, the issue is, Mortal Kombat 1 Playable has stuff from only that timeline, so I guess we could have some of Quan back there. If we do that for everyone though...Now, these two don't have that issue with the MK1 stuff:
- Mortal Kombat X: 166k+
- Mortal Kombat – Kotal Kahn: 46k+
- Mortal Kombat 11: 146k+
- Mortal Kombat – Kronika: Under 53k.
Edited by ACW on Mar 10th 2024 at 3:15:14 PM
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As far as the Scream characters go, I would put Sidney, Gale and Dewey in their own combined page like a trio page (they would all surpass 120k bytes that way), and I would split the Ghostfaces down further, maybe by masterminds and accomplices, maybe by era. I have only really seen the first movie, and don't remember the second or third that well (though I do plan to see them all at some point), but as far as Sam goes, we could combine the trio first then maybe put Sam back. Let's remember, Character Specific Pages should only be tried if splitting down further isn't doable, and it seems to be in this case. And with that said, I ٪100 agree with putting Jill back in a further broken down Ghostface page.
Edited by Bluedeadredemption on Mar 10th 2024 at 1:15:55 AM
Also, one I've noticed is the Rambo series. Rambo himself has a 47k plus byte count, but if we merged all of the character sheets from each movie together, they would make up just over 162k bytes, nowhere near the 250k minimum requirement.
Edited by Bluedeadredemption on Mar 10th 2024 at 1:32:55 AM
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I would be okay with making a trio page and then merge back Sam.
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