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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#1976: Jul 2nd 2021 at 12:20:47 AM

I'm one of those people who use them interchangeably because I genuinely can't tell the difference. [lol]

This discussion did make me realize that we might be missing a "Custom Title Maintenance" thread to catch issues like these.

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#1978: Jul 2nd 2021 at 5:35:20 AM

[up][up] Heh, whereas I kindled a love of typography a few years ago, and now I can’t just read a piece of text without considering the font and punctuation. I’m very sensitive to the minute differences in length between the various horizontal lines. Even or especially when the main difference between unspaced en and em dashes is the minute spacing around the em, as it is in the site’s Helvetica as rendered on my phone.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1979: Jul 2nd 2021 at 6:13:51 AM

We used to have such a thread but it became swamped with folks requesting changes to custom titles even though the functionality exists just for that purpose.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
mightymewtron Lots of coffee from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Lots of coffee
#1981: Jul 3rd 2021 at 8:25:34 PM

Main.Bibble Bobble was cut for being a main redirect to Administrivia.Bibble Bobble... despite that being intentional, since it was meant to explain why Bibble Bobble showed up on the crowners, and be more easily linkable from the bibbled crowners. There was even a note on the page about it.

I left a note on the discussion page when it was on the cutlist, but it was cut anyway. I guess you can still see the Administrivia page on the redlink page, but still, wish this was further discussed.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#1982: Jul 3rd 2021 at 8:29:23 PM

[up] I asked to restore it in the Locked Pages thread.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Jul 3rd 2021 at 11:29:30 AM

GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#1983: Jul 3rd 2021 at 10:42:29 PM

I agree that the Main.Bibble Bobble redirect shouldn't have been cut.

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wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#1984: Jul 3rd 2021 at 10:59:19 PM

++ to Main.Bibble Bobble being a rare actually-useful namespace redirect.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#1985: Jul 4th 2021 at 2:18:17 AM

Here's a link to the previously mentioned Locked Pages post.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1986: Jul 4th 2021 at 3:32:52 PM

This might not be the place to ask, but is there any reason why MagnificentBastard.Film wasn’t cut? The page has been split between live action and animated movies, so as it stands the page is now stagnant and won’t be updated again, so it’s gonna be outdated fast. It’s not even indexed anymore, so it’s just hanging in the aether

Related second question - should it redirect to something instead if it’s not eligible to be cut?

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 4th 2021 at 7:13:40 AM

themayorofsimpleton Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him from Elsewhere (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Abstaining
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
#1987: Jul 4th 2021 at 3:35:30 PM

Unrelated, but since there's nowhere else to say this, I'll just say that I like today's featured trope. Very clever.

TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#1988: Jul 4th 2021 at 4:35:02 PM

Related second question - should it redirect to something instead if it's not eligible to be cut?
Yes. Probably to the main trope article.

Unrelated, but since there's nowhere else to say this, I'll just say that I like today's featured trope. Very clever.
You're welcome. I've thought of starting a Yack Fest thread to discuss the Featured Trope because I have tried to make deliberate references as often as possible. It would also be a way to get suggestions from editors.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
themayorofsimpleton Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him from Elsewhere (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Abstaining
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1990: Jul 4th 2021 at 5:11:10 PM

Alright, I requested the redirect on the Locked Pages thread citing that response, but is there a reason why it wasn't cut? I assume it's inbounds, but I just wanted to be sure.

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#1991: Jul 4th 2021 at 7:55:51 PM

Yes. Probably to the main trope article.

I think I'd redirect it to MagnificentBastard.Live Action Films, since the namespace Film refers to live-action films, and live-action films made up the vast majority of the page's examples.

Edited by Twiddler on Jul 4th 2021 at 7:56:31 AM

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#1992: Jul 4th 2021 at 8:18:20 PM

But the Media Category refers to both.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1993: Jul 4th 2021 at 9:24:52 PM

There’s precedent for that redirect with Monster.Film

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1995: Jul 5th 2021 at 12:20:22 AM

Or you disambiguate them.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#1996: Jul 6th 2021 at 3:14:37 PM

So the cut request for RTFM was denied and I'm just wondering why? Abbreviation redirects are specifically forbidden here, and it has less than 100 inbounds and 0 wicks. I can't see any reason to keep it.

No note was left on the discussion page.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1997: Jul 7th 2021 at 12:42:09 AM

That wasn't an abbreviation but a pre-existent term, and nobody has explained why it is harmful. People are too trigger happy with cutlisting redirects, in general.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
GnomeTitan Oversized Garden Ornament Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Oversized Garden Ornament
#1998: Jul 7th 2021 at 12:53:43 AM

There are a few abbreviations and acronyms which have become so common and entrenched that they have in a sense become words in their own right. RTFM is one example. PC (in the sense of ”personal computer”) is another. To disallow using them as redirects would be counter-productice.

I assume the ”no abbreviations” rule is aimed at abbreviations used as fan jargon (or, even worse, made up on the spot) which are not common outside of a small community.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#1999: Jul 7th 2021 at 1:15:20 AM

There are also acronyms which have become so entrenched that people have forgotten that they are acronyms, like laser.

Optimism is a duty.
Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#2000: Jul 7th 2021 at 7:51:18 AM

RTFM is so not on the same level as PC or laser. I highly doubt most people outside the world of tech support have even heard of it.

But whatever, not something I care enough about to pursue.


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