Wiki and Forum Policy - General Discussion

I mean, yeah that's just being lazy. That's not a case of not knowing what to do, that's just choosing to be unproductive. While in general I advocate for removing examples if the situation is unclear, in this scenario it's just silly to delete it outright (unless maybe it was a ZCE or something, in which case there's no point to move it).

Though like I said, sometimes I can find places to move examples to if the context makes it obvious, but sometimes I can't. If someone recognizes that a trope is misuse but is genuinely unaware of how to fix it, I don't think that should be held against them even if it's not TRS cleanup. IMO too many people default to trying to hide obvious misuse in case it can eventually be fixed, which to me feels like the opposite of what should be done.

Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 2nd 2024 at 6:43:56 AM

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yeah i get people being unsure, but in those cases where ive seen where people were unsure where to put it, they would put up a "deleted this trope, if anyone has a better idea, please add it elsewhere" edit reason

whereas ive been told by delete-happy editors that "it's not their responsibility" to move misplaced tropes. does not seem productive at all, especially when copy + pasting is a thing

i think a policy for moving tropes clearly in the wrong page might work best + putting an edit reason for deletion if the editor is unsure where to put it as well as cut down on weird hostility or excuses that it is not an editor's job to clean up the wiki, but how would one go about adding to wiki policy?

related to the TRS discussion, i believe someone brought this up before but a policy of a standardised "trope has been disambiguated, see (link) and use the correct trope if applicable, do not readd the original trope" canned edit; let me know if that should go to TRS discussion though

Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Feb 5th 2024 at 9:36:06 AM

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We already have "Trope was cut/disambiguated due to cleanup" as one of the default edit reasons. Anybody is free to do the rest themselves, in their own time.

Well, these editors are wrong if they think that moving misplaced examples to the right place isn't their responsibility. It's just as much (or as little) their responsibility as deleting them.

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yes, but the ones that include a link and a reminder to look at the disambiguated page help far better than the default "page has been cut/disambiguated", if just to cut down on copy-pasting time. the "cut/disambiguated" edit reasons now are far better than previous edit reasons where it implied the trope going through TRS was cut completely without any indication that TRS had voted to act on it

tbh im not sure why having a better canned edit reason is considered too time consuming for TRS, but ill take it to wiki talk

edit: thread is here

hmm, didnt know auto fill was removed. that said, i was under the impression once TRS acts on a trope, the editors on that thread prioritise wick cleanings for that trope before moving on to the next. copy + pasting for one specific trope doesnt seem bad, unless most TRS editors prefer to work on multiple threads at once

Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Feb 5th 2024 at 10:02:34 AM

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It's not necessary too time consuming but unless such an edit reason gets added, people would need to retype that every single time thanks to the loss of auto fill. It just doesn't seem feasible to require a specific edit reason format

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Can the US Politics thread please be unlocked? It's been over two months now, I don't think anyone cares about Kissinger's death anymore (the event which caused it to be locked).

I have a question about the Republican Primary that I'd like answered.

Sorta curious. How far are you guys into developing one?

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Has locking it made a difference so far?

Optimism is a duty.

Yes. The mods are getting fewer hollers about OTC and having to thump/intervene less often in the forums. There's probably a slight decrease in forum suspensions, too, although many are linked to multiple threads.

> I have a question about the Republican Primary that I'd like answered.

We have two question answering topics that I know of that may help answer your question

quickie questions in Yack Fest Random Questions in the writer's forum

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I don't think the former wants political questions and I know the latter is specifically for questions re: writing.

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A Q&A thread wouldn't be a terrible idea, as long as there are clear rules that it doesn't turn into a discussion.

Optimism is a duty.

Any answer on a political topic will be inherently biased. It couldn't be handled outside of a thread where politics can be discussed.

It also means less doomscrolling.

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Before I go fixing indentation on a bunch of pages, I want to double check that I've got it right.

On work pages, something like this:

• Trope: Example from series
  • Another example from series
    
    

... is incorrect, right? It should be:

• Trope:
  • Example
  • Example
    
    

On trope pages, this is incorrect:

• This series has [trope].
  • Another instance of [trope] in same series.
    
    

It should be:

• Series
  • Instance 1 of trope
  • Instance 2 of trope
    
    

And on moments pages, it shouldn't be this:

• In "[title of episode]", this is heartwarming.
  • This moment from the same episode is also heartwarming.
    
    

Or this:

• Ho Yay moment
  • Expanding on Ho Yay Moment
    
    

But this:

• "[title of episode]":
  • Heartwarming moment 1
  • Heartwarming moment 2
    
    

And this:

• Ho Yay moment + expanding on moment (combined into one bullet point)
  
  

With the usage of third bullets being very rare.

Pretty sure this is the only time where I used one as of late, and I think I got it right:

• Kingdom Hearts:
  • Kingdom Hearts:
    • Instance 1
    • Instance 2

Edited by viva_la_pasta on Feb 12th 2024 at 8:31:26 AM

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That pretty much exactly what Example Indentation in Trope Lists is saying.

Quick tips:

• 1 example, the trope/work name and the example stay in the same single bullet.
• >1 examples, trope/work/episode name placed separately, all examples are put on separate double-bullets.
  • It's currently arguable if the first bullet allows a shared comment, but it's best to not have one.
• Examples can't act as comments to other examples. If they describe the same scene, they should be merged.
• A trope cannot be a subbullet to another trope.
• Grouping works by franchise / episodes by work is allowed, but I prefer to avoid it.

Edited by Amonimus on Feb 12th 2024 at 4:15:30 PM

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so, in regards to quality upgrades of image, is it possible to directly add the better image without approval from the accompanying forum or not…bc I added an image after showcasing it in the better quality image forum and found out that the person approved it to be replaced… or idk.

Edited by SpongeBobFan2004 on Feb 13th 2024 at 6:27:24 AM

Yes, quality upgrades are a free action. How to Pick a Good Image covers this, particularly this bullet point:

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 13th 2024 at 6:30:55 AM

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~Amonimus: Tried to fix the indentation on the KH Ho Yay page. Can you tell me if I got it right before I move on to another?

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IMO Trope Talk has become a dumping ground for ppl to ask all sorts of random questions about issues they personally have with tropes, even if others disagree that they are issues, and even if they fit better on other areas of the site such as Ask The Tropers, Trope Finder, and Wiki Talk.

Then again, maybe that's just me. What do you guys think?

Yeah, I feel that the thread should be regulated a bit more cuz it's pretty much become a soapbox at this point. Maybe introduce new guidelines on what and what not to ask or something.

Edited by JHD0919 on Feb 16th 2024 at 4:26:36 AM

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People actually get directed away from ATT if they're asking random questions about tropes. I've seen people post misplaced Trope Finder queries, but those also get redirected. Never saw anything that would fit better under Wiki Talk, the two have pretty distinct purposes.

Anyway, is this a policy concern or anything?

Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 16th 2024 at 4:18:58 AM

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