Murderverse - Discussion

Cults in Mafia are notoriously difficult to handle. Cults that can kill even more so.

.EXE may be a cornerstone of the Murderverse, but I would very much recommend against imitating it in that particular aspect.

... The obviously raises a question of how one is intended to run a zombie game other than by a cult.

Thanks, it obviously needs some thinking out of how to balance things and I welcome any constructive criticism. I was thinking the 'turning' aspect might really be necessary since it' s a zombie game, as you say. Since it was bottompaged:

Edited by PointMaid on Jan 8th 2021 at 5:47:07 AM

Late to the convo but for how my characters feel about the others:

• most of them would at least initially dislike anyone who killed them
• Derana still feels weird about Hydroxyl after the whole "being on murder team" thing and regretting it a lot
• Ken is still very suspicious about the Counselor and Jamie

Edited by Zanreo on Jan 8th 2021 at 4:44:51 PM

@Awe: Looks good! A Destroy The Godmodder-style entry is a nice deviation from the standard murdergame structure.

Since Tabby's likely not going to participate due to taking a break from TVT after what happened, I have one open slot for Sinister Starlight. I am currently accepting replacement applications, by the way.

EDIT:Nevermind, Tabby's still participating.

Edited by MOARPYLONZ on Jan 9th 2021 at 9:13:39 AM

Wait, I'm still participating in Sinister Starlight. Get confirmation from me before you open up a slot.

Oh... Sorry about that, Tabby. We have no intention of kicking you out any time soon. You are still free to participate in murdergames if you want. Sure, what you did over at the Discord was bad, but still... We won't ban you from a murdergame just for something you did in the Discord server. Besides, you're actually pretty fine in the murdergames themselves. If you want to participate in a murdergame, go ahead! But if you don't, that's fine too. I'm just really, REALLY sorry about the misunderstanding I had. I hope you can still have fun in The Murderverse...

Edited by MOARPYLONZ on Jan 9th 2021 at 9:36:50 AM

I'm thinking I might have to keep a 'recruit to the zombie cult' aspect, but just be very careful to balance it out. Have actual recruiting be statistically difficult, introduce a (perhaps also difficult) way to cure zombies instead of killing them. (That might necessitate a time limit on number of in-universe days the game can go on, and an alternate goal rather than killing all zombies. Goal being completing the tasks and escaping the island.)

Any more thoughts on my Escape From Zombie Park murdergame? Taking constructive criticism.

As much as I'd recommend against a cult in the first place, I'd double recommend against being able to take players out of the cult afterwards.

Changing a player's win condition mid-game seriously messes with strategy; there comes a point when players will ignore their nominal win condition and just ask the cult to recruit them. Doing it twice is likely to leave players completely lost.

Oy. I can see your point... clearly I have no idea how to balance a game properly.

time based murdergame

scum are rogue Timeline Masters like TM Awe, while the townies are a special squadron sent to get rid of time warpers (the Murderverse isn't the only time TM Awe screwed up stuff). to avoid detection, the scum has altered time to be involved in the squad.

the gimmick is that its not divided by days, its divided by loops.

each loop is divided by day and night. at day you can talk, interact with the environment (especially important) and lynch. at the first night, you can act normally.

except by the next day, the killed are alive and well. by night, its even stranger. townies are basically forced to repeat their actions next night unless something they do change. so if they're killed, they're basically forced to die over and over. (EXAMPLE: TM 1 shoots townie 1 first night. second night, TM 1 shoots townie 1, then proceeds to break townie 2's neck.)

the townies can, however, try to prevent their deaths, like preventing the murder weapon from being found. if anything happens that interrupt a townie's looped actions, they can basically act freely, although their actions will then set next night's looped actions. (EXAMPLE: townie 1 walks by a certain hallway in a loop. townie 2, next day, sets up a rope to trip them up. townie 1 trips, allowing them to act freely.)

lynch deaths are permanent though.

the killers win if every townies die at night. townies win by lynching every killer as always.

Edited by Awe921 on Jan 10th 2021 at 12:00:13 PM

as a huge fan of Weird Time Shit, I am intrigued.

I like Weird Time Shit too

Another attempt at re-balancing the rules of the zombie game...

Edited by PointMaid on Jan 10th 2021 at 10:13:18 AM

Weird Time Shit is cool, but I'm not entirely sure how townies would be able to initially break out of the loop. I guess by interacting with whoever got nightkilled? That would heavily incentivize scum to kill people who only acted late in the day...

they can act freely during the day, but after the meeting for each vote is where the loop starts, which is the night phase. so townie 1 can yell about how they died, but the moment they exit the vote meeting is where their repeated actions start.

misc plot ideas, part 2:

• Sylvi and/or Robin run Gender (Extreme)^note all of our self-inserts technically are nonbinary, but some like the Elakhas don't know that yet — this would be them figuring that out
• Sylvi& attempts to matchmake Jui^note This was prompted by New Year's Eve stuff in the time cube
• Silas does gay crimes^note not entirely clear what kind of gay crimes are available in the Murder-Free Hotel, but we'll find something

all of them are good

Random fun fact:

If you remember back when Pamela rolled her fatal 1, I had decided before rolling that, if she rolled a 6, she'd also die, but the explosion would leave behind a perfect omelette.

If we make a Murderverse cover/version of the Beetlejuice song, What I Know Now, who should these peeps be?

Don't jump when the light is red = Datz, probably

Toasters should be used for bread = Dookie

Never smoke cigars in bed =

Nietzsche was right, y'know, to live is to suffer, bro =

Don't cheat on the one you wed = Wario?

Never whip a thoroughbred =

Edited by TheGeekArtist08 on Jan 10th 2021 at 8:16:47 PM

Stew would commit toaster bath so maybe him

Edited by madface7 on Jan 10th 2021 at 6:58:38 AM

...I should note that I'm talkin' about the ones dead.

Then Dookie for toaster bath probably.

Two questions:

1. Where would you place the Murderverse on the Sliding Scale of Idealism vs. Cynicism?

2. Would you consider HGS and the Murderverse Friendly Fandoms? Not asking to put it on any YMMV pages, just curious.

Edited by madface7 on Jan 11th 2021 at 11:12:14 AM

1. Slides back and forth between 50/50 and mostly-cynical, depending on who rolls scum and who wins the game.
2. Maybe? We don't follow HGS at all so hard to evaluate.

I'd say the games lead to cynicism, however Murderfree and the cubes are more idealistic.