Unclear Description: Batman Can Breathe In Space

I copied and pasted the examples into the sandbox and commented out unclear examples. I don't think a different planet's atmosphere counts, especially when in this case, it looks more like a "this guy is so tough he can withstand this planet's toxic air".

Had to undo that to finish sorting, but I appreciate the effort.

I have finished sorting the examples at Sandbox.Batman Can Breathe In Space

With the help of an autohotkey script, I have marked every example as OK, Unsure, or Wrong, often with a reason. Everything that indicated that ordinary people needed spacesuits was marked Wrong. Examples without enough context or which I just found confusing were marked Unsure. OK includes some non-example references, inversions, and interesting aversions. Using ctrl-f to tally:

• OK: 154
• Unsure: 45
• Wrong: 155
  • Marked specifically as "Wrong - powers": 122

Having just done that, I can see why it took so much effort.

Please look over the list, I was kind of tired while sorting a lot of it. If you want to change something's category or add more detail to an example, go ahead.

There's a "New Example Section" below the sorting section. Next step is to move the good examples there. Some will need to be edited to fit the new definition better. Examples marked as Unsure can also be included commented-out.

If you'd like to copy examples marked "Wrong - powers" to the "Spacegoing Power Examples" section, that'd be a great help for me.

Move as in cut and paste to the sections ?

Copy and paste. Deleting parts of the sorting section just makes it easier to lose track of examples.

Easiest way would probably be to copy the entire sorting section to the New Example Section, then remove the Wrong examples and OK/Unsure tags, edit the examples, comment out ZCEs, all that stuff.

I dug through some, moving the first two folders into New Examples area as requested. Remember that just suffocation isn't this trope; we established that a breathing mask still counts for this trope because of all the other harmful effects of vacuum exposure.

crazysamaritan raised a concern with me about an edit I made to the trope description and suggested I run it by this thread.

The previous version of the paragraph was:

The current version is:

One concern was that the description was inaccurate, since Sam & Max in the page image aren't humans.

I think it's fine. Sam and Max aren't humans, but they're "ordinary" for that setting (I think, I haven't played that game) and the text suggests that a human would be able to survive in space as well.

Other than that, though, that entire paragraph is just a placeholder until I can launch a new trope about abilities that let a character survive in space, using examples cut from this trope. Once that happens, it could just be reduced to:

On that note, any help searching for cut examples which would fit under that new trope would be greatly appreciated.

I think I could lend a hand with that.

Alright, so "inaccuracy" was only partly tied to "human" substituting for "Talking Animal", but I didn't spend the time to describe everything fully because I wanted to continue the discussion publicly. There was also the redundancy of "brick" and "nigh-invulnerable" as well as "alien/magical" not explaining why it doesn't count since a Klingon without a space suit should count despite being an alien because they're "close enough" to human with their biology.

Here's a re-rewrite with the idea that you want to cite specific tropes instead of relying on pop culture familiarity:

That looks good.

Yep, works great.

Alright, I've tossed it in. Sorry for not helping with examples recently.

I don't think enough discussion has been given to the possibility of a rename. Several users think that the name is as problematic as the old definition.

Yeah, "[superhero known for having a ton of gadgets] Can Breathe In Space" when the trope is about inexplicable space survival does confuse things somewhat. And also, a lack of oxygen is not the only reason why space is dangerous.

But coming up with a new name is really easy: Inexplicable Space Survival.

More like Improbable Space Survival, "inexplicable" doesn't quite fit in with what we've agreed on the crowner.

No on the rename. The misuse probably came from an unclear description and lack of a trope for the superpowered examples to go in. The name probably isn't the best, but renaming a trope is a huge hassle and I doubt it's worth it.

Eh, it shouldn't be a requirement that the survival is unjustified. Whether something is justified or not can be a vague line, and the trope already attracts Fan Wank and Justifying Edits as it is.

Should a crowner be assembled to rename? Here are all options assembled so far:

• Implausible Space Survival
• Improbable Space Survival
• Inexplicable Space Survival
• Don't rename

Renaming takes two crowners, the first one asks if a rename is required at all. Please read Everything You Wanted to Know About Changing Names.

Is there enough consensus to make a single-prop rename crowner?

I believe the crowner agreed not to rename.

The first crowner already had a vote to rename. It got -3. I'm not convinced a rename is necessary on top of the description rewrite, cleanup, and de-facto split. Also, I like the current name.

Anyways, I've finished the new example section. It's up on Sandbox.Batman Can Breathe In Space. Examples are alphabetized. I'll push it to the main page after a few days if there's no complaints.

There were no complaints, so I put up the new example section.

Now we need to clean the wicks. There's 1147 of them.

Would Improbable Space Survival be a helpful redirect to Batman Can Breathe in Space?

Pretty sure TTGL's one is wrong, if Spiral Energy in that show is considered a superpower. It does allow them to throw galaxies and create Mecha's that can take on Big Bang's after all...

I have to dispute the idea that superpowers are in anyway a justification for space survival. True, if one's superpowers are explicitly "survive anywhere", like Freeza and every villain of any significance to come after in him in Dragon Ball, sure. But Superman? There is nothing about "absorbs radiation from yellow sun" that suggests "breathing in space is now possible for man shaped macro fauna". Ridley? There is nothing about being a fire breathing dragon that suggests ability to breathe in space. Fire burns oxygen after all.

And even if the trope is justified? Isn't Justified Trope a blue link for a reason? Why did anything need to be changed here?