Conspiracy Theories Useful Notes

TBH, I have to question the validity of the results because of the confusion caused by adding that "move several of the content" option later without agreement over what that option meant (mutually exclusive with cutting or not), Fighteer cutting the pages when there was a consensus but crowner hadn't actually been called, and people voting after the cuts were already done thus tipping the votes away from the former consensus.

Maybe we need to re-run separate crowners for separate things?

For instance, I voted "no" on "Cut ConspiracyTheories.Coronavirus Disease2019e Pandemic, but do nothing with UsefulNotes.Conspiracy Theories and its non-coronavirus-related subpages" because I agreed with the first part (cutting that page) but disagree with doing nothing with the other conspiracy theories, and there was no option that reflected that. I thought the "move several of the content" choice was "this is the choice where we preserve the content elsewhere" while the "cut xyz" options meant "get rid of the pages and their content entirely."

Hm, perhaps individual subpages of UsefulNotes.Conspiracy Theories should have been separate as well. Didn't think about that since it was specifically the COVID subpage that led to a discussion about the whole category.

Since several pages were cut before the crowner was called, maybe we should just start over with every option.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 23rd 2020 at 3:17:04 AM

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I had a similar concern here on page 2. Someone suggested interpretting it as "the 'cut' option alone assumes that the content isn't worth saving elsewhere," and you agreed. In light of the salvage option having consensus, I would imagine that this would mean "salvage what content can be saved and then cut the subpages for COVID-19 pandemic (as opposed to making them redirects)."

IDK, but I tend to interpret "cut the page" and "move the content" as not mutually exclusive options. Similar to how TRS crowners might have the option to "send back to TLP" where "send back" requires a cut but the content on the page is salvaged elsewhere.

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IMO, the main page for CT should get its own discussion. We don't really need to bog this down

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I sort of forgot that I posted that, since it was getting late when I wrote my previous two posts, and being sick isn't helping things, either.

But anyway, point taken regarding the last line of your post.

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I’m a bit iffy on ConspiracyTheories.Coronavirus Disease 2019 Pandemic being in the PRLC, “major ROCEJ violation” is pretty tame compared to the other PRLC members, which either were extremely controversial, devolved into a cesspit for complaining, got remade after a cut, or acted as a threat to the entire wiki, if anything we should just wait until the pandemic subsides to say if it violates the ROCEJ or not and if it should be permanent or even cut at all.

That said, I am in favor of merging it and the other corona subpages with the Useful Notes page.

it’s not that much more harmful than the other conspiracy theories pages, all of which are thriving.

Edited by GeneralGigan817 on May 10th 2020 at 5:05:32 AM

My question for you is, what value does drawing attention to those harmful ideologies create?

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I think there is a divide between "silly but harmless" conspiracy theories and "dangerously political" conspiracy theories. I don't think we should provide visibility to the latter, but I wonder if even keeping things like lizard people, flat Earth, and Moon landing conspiracies would just invite the nastier, more harmful ideas back on the page? I am opposed to showcasing any COVID-19 theories while the pandemic is ongoing, that's for sure.

I'm not sure there are many "harmless" conspiracy theories. Even lizard-people stuff is pretty steeped in antisemitism, for example.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

In my experience, "harmless" conspiracy theories are just stepping stones to more dangerous ones. Once you're willing to believe that the every government in the world is covering up the fact that the world is flat, you're probably just as willing to believe that vaccines are bad for you and that every non-Christian work of media is Satanic.

I actually knew a Flat-Earther in person, and reasoning with him was impossible because he could just keep making up reasons why he was correct, without having to prove anything he was saying as true. I can't imagine what other things he believes if he's that convinced that we live on a goddamn disk, and I really don't want to know.

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In any case, the crowner has spoken. The community appears to want the non-corona pages... at least for now.

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Still wonder if we need a separate crowner for non-covid-19 conspiracy theories since that got lumped with the covid-19 vote— separate issues and all. But if people who voted before took that into consideration and indeed wanted cut the covid-19/don't cut the non-covid-19, we good.

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Calling the crowner.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Is the decision to keep them or get rid of them?

Keeping the other pages was 19:4; cutting the other pages was 15:11.

But there was a bunch of other stuff in the crowner that may have affected all of this.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

I think the options were confusingly stated, since two actions for different things were combined in one section.

Edited by costanton11 on May 24th 2020 at 11:20:16 AM

Yeahhhh, we might need to pull another Bi The Way situation and have a second crowner. Things got way too complicated and messy while the crowner was running and now that things have cooled off we can try again.

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Since it pertains to this topic as well: Main.The New Twenties and UsefulNotes.The New Twenties (of which the COVID article is a subpage) have also come under scrutiny in ATT and long-term projects for blatantly violating ROCEJ. Discussion starts here.

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~masterrobert created COVID-19 Pandemic Related Examples. Was that discussed anywhere?

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it's about release date change

Yeah, nothing to do with conspiracy theories that one. I wonder if we want a trope/Trivia argenfargle about works impacted by COVID-19, I am sure there are many examples ... but that's a discussion for another thread.

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