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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Jan 3rd 2020 at 11:08:13 AM

The trope repair shop recently rewrote the Punk Punk page, which is about cyberpunk derivatives. Key to the new definition is that these derivative genres must fit one of the following:

  • A world built around a particular technology that is pervasive and extrapolated to a highly sophisticated level.
  • A gritty or transreal urban style.
  • A cyberpunk-inspired approach to exploring social themes within a Speculative Fiction setting.

There is concern that some of the subtropes (there are 20) may not actually fit these criteria, and are simply cyberpunk snowclones. The purpose of this thread is to figure out whether each of the subtropes actually fits, and make changes as needed. Such changes could include re-writing descriptions, renaming, simply removing from the Punk Punk index, or even cutting if the pages are deemed Not A Trope.

If there are tropes that aren't listed on Punk Punk but should be, those can be discussed here as well.

The idea is that, similar to threads like the appearance trope thread, we discuss one trope at a time, and then have a crowner to decide what to do with it.


I'd like to start with Stone Punk, which was discussed a bit in the TRS thread. I argued at the time that the trope should be cut for the following reasons: In the thread I think there were 3 in favor, 2 against cutting, not enough for consensus. We could also rework it into a 1 Million B.C.+Schizo Tech trope, but I just don't think there are enough actual examples of that to make a healthy trope.

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Jan 3rd 2020 at 6:40:18 PM

Oh good, I need to tell you, of why you did exclude the Bio Punk subgenre for? When its seems closely or undeniably fit the definition you're subscribing to?

  • "A world built around a particular technology that is pervasive and extrapolated to a highly sophisticated level." Yes! The subgenre is focusing on Biotechnology as the very important plot point for the story, via BioShock series focusing on the negative consequences of using genetic engineering.

  • "A gritty or transreal urban style." I think so far, its looked likely as Orphan Black and again BioShock series covers it mostly well.

  • "A cyberpunk-inspired approach to exploring social themes within a Speculative Fiction setting." Potentially yes, as the two examples I mentioned dealt with both political and scientific themes of using biotechnology as a major/main plot point for their backstories/lore.

But besides that problem with your changes for the page, I think Dr. Stone seems to try helping the Stonepunk subgenre to 'evolved' into like Steampunk, as one of its main characters is treating a post-Modern technology-less world as dystopic.

Edited by Franco-America2018 on Jan 3rd 2020 at 9:41:03 AM

naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Jan 6th 2020 at 10:12:10 AM

Whoops, sorry! I think I missed Biopunk when re-ordering the tropes list from the sandbox alphabetically. My bad. I agree with your analysis and I think that's an easy keep. I added it back to the index.

Edited by naturalironist on Jan 6th 2020 at 1:16:03 PM

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Jan 8th 2020 at 12:45:46 PM

Looking at the examples on Stone Punk, I agree most are just rehashes of other tropes and/or ZCE and can be elliminated.

However, some works seem to be worth keeping in a "punk" sense, specifically the ones that play up social roles in Romanticism Versus Enlightenment. I'm wondering if some examples should be kept with a pin in them as we continue through other punk pages (specifically Sandal Punk, Clock Punk, and Feudal Future but maybe others) and role them into some sort of "Ancient/Pre-Modern Punk" to describe works that are Punk in technology or themes, but are in settings before/without/minimal electricity.

ZombieAladdin Thar be flabbergasting! from California
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Feb 5th 2020 at 11:04:50 PM

Is there an archive of each of the discussions about the Punk Punk subtropes? I want to get a better idea of how they're defined on this site. The Trope Repair Shop thread simply goes from beginning of the discussion to the end, and Stone Punk is the only one I saw a detailed discussion for.

naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Apr 13th 2020 at 6:27:23 PM

^ We haven't really gotten to any of them yet.

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
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