Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

What alignment would you put the various Dimitris? (White Clouds, SS/VW/Start of AM, End of AM, and CF)

My alignments.

Light-Neutral - Byleth(AM and VW)

Neutral-Chaos - Byleth(CF)

Light-Law - Byleth (SS)

Already mentioned Dimitri

Neutral-Chaos - Edelgard

Neutral-Law - Rhea

Dark-Law - Rhea(CF)

Light-Neutral - Claude

Dark-Law - Hubert

Neutral-Law - Dedue

Light-Chaos - Hilda

Light-Law - Flayn

Neutral-Law - Seteth

Dark-Chaos - Agartha

Dark-Chaos - Death Knight

Dark-Chaos - Fleche(AM)

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 2nd 2020 at 6:16:33 AM

I reject your Light and Dark applications, in favour of calling them “good” and “evil”.

Never was a fan of applying morality to light and darkness, frankly, even though I need to accept it as part and parcel of fantasy fiction in general (at least as a baseline). Any story that frequently demonstrates how Light Is Not Good and Dark Is Not Evil, especially with showing their inherent divine or sacred qualities, is likely to earn my approval. This might be why I still love FE 7 and how the Elibe setting in general treats dark/elder magic (it can be corrupting and strip your humanity and individuality away, but only if you delve too deeply, and is no more evil than light magic - which can hurt just as it also heals, and is categorised separate from healing magic)...

Sorry, didn’t mean to go all filibuster in you lot, but since it feels relevant to my statement I’ll keep it in.

Also: Dimitri in late-AM is Neutral Good. Fight me, If you please; you’ll lose, though.

People saying Edelgard is dark or evil has the same effect as Vauthry calling me evil. I .

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 2nd 2020 at 7:26:49 AM

To be fair Hubert, gives no shits about how atrocious or unlawful what he does is, so long as it benefits Edelgard. Hell, he even keeps going behind her back so she doesn't have to worry about that whole pesky morality thing.

Light and Dark actually have multi-purpose in the SMT spectrum.

They can mean benevolent/good and malevolent/evil OR can mean that's what people believe and not what they truly are.

A Light-Law being can propose casual genocide as a Dark-Chaos being values liberty for all and saving the disenfranchised from tyranny. Just as another Light-Law seeks to save everyone while a Dark-Chaos eats babies.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 2nd 2020 at 7:33:33 AM

I thought that was more of "I'll directly disobey her orders behind her back if I think I'm right", from the first Support Hubert gets with Ferdinand after the time skip.

Yep. If he thinks he knows better than her he'll act behind her back.

That's implied to be the sole reason we even get that letter from him on SS and VW.

Hubert strikes me as the type to have back up plans within back plans.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had assassins to go kill the non-Edelgard winners of the war.

As promised, here comes. I'll order everything based on the character sheet for this game. If they have an entry, they're getting included here.

• The Main Protagonists
  • Byleth: They always start off as Neutral Good, and will always remain good, but will shift to Lawful or Chaotic Good depending on the route.
  • Edelgard: She starts off as a darker spin on a Lawful Neutral alignment, since she does have standards even though she allies herself with villains and she has a code of conduct to stand by. She either becomes Lawful Good with Byleth's help or becomes flat-out Lawful Evil.
  • Dimitri: He starts off as Neutral Good, the middle ground between Edelgard's uptight personality and Claude's wild ways. He remains that way in Crimson Flower. In all other routes, he turns into a dark Chaotic Neutral and either dies that way or slowly turns back to Neutral Good.
  • Claude: Ironically, he's the most straightforward of the lords. He's Chaotic Good no matter what route you choose.
  • Sothis: She's Neutral Good because she tends to agree with Byleth.
• The Black Eagles
  • Hubert: He's Neutral Evil, one of the few evil playable characters here. He'll only become a True Neutral in Crimson Flower.
  • Petra: She's Neutral Good since she's a kind woman and she isn't very lawful or chaotic either way.
  • Linhardt: He's Chaotic Good since while he selfishly wants to fall asleep all the time, when push comes to shove, he does great things.
  • Dorothea: She's Chaotic Good since she hates Fodlan society and all it stands for but is otherwise a good person.
  • Caspar: He's Chaotic Good because he's a good-natured guy who loves fighting whoever he can.
  • Ferdinand: He's Lawful Good due to being a dutiful advisor with a kind heart.
  • Bernadetta: She's Chaotic Good. See Linhardt, but replace falling asleep with staying in her room.
• The Blue Lions
  • Dedue: He's Lawful Neutral because he follows Dimitri very faithfully without fail. In Azure Moon, he develops into more of a Lawful Good type.
  • Sylvain: He's Chaotic Good. He may be a horndog, but he's a horndog that fights for the right reasons.
  • Ingrid: She's Lawful Good, since she idolizes chivalry to a great extent.
  • Felix: He might put off an air of the Chaotic Neutral alignment since he's edgy as hell, but he really is just a Chaotic Good guy.
  • Mercedes: She seems like she's Lawful Good due to her devotion to Rhea but in practice she's more of a Neutral Good since she wants to save Emile regardless.
  • Annette: She's Neutral Good, because she's generally a goody-two-shoes.
  • Ashe: He used to be Chaotic Neutral as a thief, but he has made a conversion to Lawful Good due to the same intrigue with chivalry as Ingrid.
• The Golden Deer
  • Hilda: She's Chaotic Good because she's lazy but ultimately means well.
  • Raphael: He's Chaotic Good because the only thing bigger than his appetite and bulging muscles that he likes to talk about is his heart.
  • Leonie: She's Neutral Good, like the rest of Jeralt's pupils.
  • Ignatz: He's Neutral Good due to his interest in art being neither lawful nor chaotic.
  • Lysithea: She's Neutral Good because her knack for magic and childish personality cancel each other out.
  • Marianne: She's Neutral Good at first but eventually blossoms into a Lawful Good character post-skip.
  • Lorenz: He's Lawful Good because while he's obsessed with nobility to the point of obnoxiousness, his heart's in the right place.
• The Ashen Wolves
  • Yuri: He's rather similar to Claude in his particular brand of Chaotic Goodness.
  • Balthus: He's also Chaotic Good since he loves getting into a good fight but generally falls in line with the heroes.
  • Hapi: While she gives off the air of a True Neutral character, she's more Neutral Good than anything.
  • Constance: Her personality outdoors is a gloomy True Neutral while her personality indoors is an eccentric Chaotic Good.
• The Church of Seiros
  • Rhea: In the prologue, she's definitely Lawful Good. Over the years, though, she's settled into Lawful Neutral territory. If Byleth betrays her, she turns Lawful Evil; otherwise, she defaults back to Lawful Good after giving up control of Fodlan.
  • Seteth: He's Neutral Good. While he generally does what's right, he doesn't blindly follow Rhea's orders.
  • Flayn: She's Chaotic Good due to the fact that she's pretty much high on life at all times.
  • Aelfric: He used to be Lawful Good but when he finds the body of his beloved girlfriend, he shifts to Neutral Evil.
  • Sitri: Based on the limited info we get about her, there's no reason not to think that she was Neutral Good like her child.
  • Manuela: She's Chaotic Good because she's a drunk that nevertheless wants to protect the students with all she has.
  • Hanneman: He's Neutral Good since while his end goal is to get rid of nobility, he otherwise is very non-chaotic.
  • Jeritza: He's True Neutral due to his depressive apathy. Of course, when the Death Knight takes hold, he's very clearly Chaotic Evil.
  • Cyril: He's a True Neutral character that becomes Neutral Good over the time skip due to maturing enough to make moral decisions for himself.
  • Jeralt: He's Neutral Good through and through. While he doesn't trust Rhea, he doesn't necessarily despise her either.
  • Catherine: She's the most clear-cut example of Lawful Neutral here. All for Lady Rhea, after all.
  • Alois: He's Neutral Good. It may be argued that he's more of a Chaotic Good sort, but honestly, he's too knightly.
  • Gilbert: He's Lawful Good since everything he does is for Faerghus.
  • Shamir: She's very True Neutral, with no allegiance to anybody, good or bad.
• The Adrestian Empire
  • Duke Aegir: He's Lawful Evil due to him inflicting misery on the people of Hyrm where it hurts: their wallets.
  • Count Bergliez: From what little we hear of him, he seems to be a Chaotic Neutral sort of guy.
  • Fleche: Depending on the route, she's either Neutral Good or Chaotic Neutral.
  • Duke Gerth: He's Lawful Neutral due to his blind loyalty to the Empire.
  • Ionius: While he could be considered evil due to letting Edelgard get experimented on, I'm going to give him the Neutral Good classification since he seemed like a nice guy and Edelgard didn't hate him.
  • Ladislava: She's Lawful Neutral for the same reasons as Gerth.
  • Baron Ochs: He's Chaotic Neutral because he will do anything just to see his daughter again.
  • Randolph: He's Lawful Neutral for the same reasons as Gerth and Ladislava.
  • Count Varley: He's Chaotic Evil. I don't care that he got some sympathetic moments according to Yuri and Bernie, no, he's a piece of shit.
  • Marquess Vestra: While we don't know much about him, he's certainly Evil for allowing Edelgard's experiments to happen.
• The Holy Kingdom of Faerghus
  • Christophe: Since he was part of a plot to assassinate Rhea, I'd put him in the Chaotic Neutral category.
  • Cornelia: She used to be Lawful Good until those who slither caused her to flip all the way to Chaotic Evil.
  • Glenn: From the way he was spoken of, he seemed to be Lawful Good since he died like a true knight.
  • Gwendal: He seems to be Chaotic Neutral. He doesn't care what side he fights for, he just wants a challenge.
  • Lambert: By all accounts, he was as Lawful Good as they come.
  • Lonato: He's Chaotic Neutral since he wants to kill Rhea for very justifiable reasons.
  • Miklan: He's pretty comfortably Chaotic Evil since he's a rapist in a Nintendo game.
  • Patricia: She's such a mystery that it's hard to tell whether she's Neutral or Evil in terms of morality, but she's definitely not a good person.
  • Rodrigue: He's Lawful Good for the same reasons as Lambert and Glenn combined.
• The Leicester Alliance
  • Acheron: He's Neutral Evil since he's a backstabbing fool.
  • Holst: From what we hear about him, he definitely seems to be Good.
  • Judith: She's Chaotic Good since she plays politics rather loosely but does the right thing.
  • Tiana: She's Chaotic Good since Claude had to get it from somewhere.
• Historical Figures
  • Nemesis: He used to be a good guy until the overwhelming power of the Sword of the Creator turned him Chaotic Evil.
  • The Ten Elites: They're all some sort of Good. Of course, as zombies, they're Chaotic Evil as well.
  • Macuil: He's Chaotic Neutral since he's a huge asshole.
  • Indech: He's Neutral Good since he's a kind dragon that willingly gives up his bow.
  • The Four Apostles: It's very unclear what their morality was, but they're definitely not evil.
  • Wilhelm: He seems just as Lawful Good as Seiros was back in the day.
  • Loog: He's Lawful Neutral since while he's a chivalrous knight, he did ally himself with those who slither.
• Those Who Slither in the Dark (both Flame Emperor's army and the main group)- All of them without fail are Chaotic Evil.
• Other characters:
  • Anna: She's Chaotic Good. While she thinks with money, she leads a peaceful life with the church.
  • Nader: He's Chaotic Neutral since while he's a friendly dude, he still invades Fodlan on a regular basis.
  • Pallardo: He's Chaotic Evil since he's Anna without a conscience.
  • And finally, Gatekeeper: He's Lawful Good. He's such a good dude.

There are points where I’d agree and others I’d disagree (I was getting dizzy with how much Neutral appeared there), but two I’d definitely contend: first, CF!Dimitri is Lawful Good or Lawful Neutral, I’d not call him Neutral Good (and I’m unsure if WC!Dimitri would be Neutral Good, as I feel he only truly shifts there in late AM); second, I despise Count Varley as much as the next person, but he’s clearly Neutral Evil (his abuse was very calculated, and he serves his own interests); third, what Kool Aid are you on that Nemesis was “Good”, the SOTC didn’t make him greedy he was to some extent already that (though he may have lost any good intentions later, he was always selfish)... Also, where the feck is Maurice, the only Elite with any properly-established personality?!

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Apr 3rd 2020 at 2:17:18 AM

What an upstanding, amazing, commendable job. You forgot Gatekeeper's Imperial Brother and Abysskeeper, though.

And in CF, Catherine, Cyril, and Gilbert are also Lawful Stupid.

Edited by Smasher on Apr 2nd 2020 at 11:45:15 AM

And CF Rhea is Stupid Evil.

Nemesis should definitely be evil.

I would join in but ehh, lazy.

Instead here have another quote.

Seiros: Once again, the world is quick to bury me. How could my own followers not believe that what happened at the Church unfolded exactly as i planned. Of course i could not have planned for a betrayal, BY MY OWN FACULTY AND STUDENTS!!!

And more Emet-Seiros and Edelgard.

Seiros: Do you know the most reliable way to deal with those who stubbornly refuse to see reason? You conquer them, crush them under your heel. Such was the trusted method of the Nabateans, and one still favored by Adrestia. But Conquest is the easy part. The true challenge begins once the dust has settled-quenching the embers of animosity and maintaining a semblance of peace. This requires the conqueror to treat the conquered with dignity, and the conquered let bygones be bygones. And you have achieved that to my considerable surprise.

Edelgard: Is that praise i hear from you?

Seiros: It's a compliment, take it. To see the spawn of Wilhelm manage to get so many like minded souls in one place brings a tear to the eye.

Edelgard: I wasn't aware you had a heart. Is that more manipulation?

Seiros: What? You though divine beings like me incapable of crying? Rest assured if your heart can break, so can mine.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 2nd 2020 at 8:48:29 AM

We get it Mister, you feel that CF!Rhea is Character Derailment to make Edelgard killing her look remotely acceptable. Please, leave it be; I personally think it doesn’t make Edie any better because she’s still acting on a misguided Evil All Along assumption (and Sanity Slippage is involved either way), but I’m willing to let it slide... If anything, I’d say she’s Neutral Evil with hints of Chaotic.

I agree with you about Nemesis, however - you might argue for Chaotic Neutral at best, but every indication is he was never good (and unlike Edie’s thoughts on Rhea, he genuinely WAS Evil All Along).

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Apr 3rd 2020 at 2:43:14 AM

Mister is right about one thing. Gilbert is Lawful Stupid.

Human lives don't matter. Plus, it's not her city.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Apr 2nd 2020 at 9:25:53 AM

How else should I describe burning down your own city?

I'd consider Gilbert good, but also in desperate need of a good psychiatrist.

Edited by MisterTambourineMan on Apr 2nd 2020 at 9:15:31 AM

That's because Gilbert is sadly a true follower of Bushido... er, I mean, the knightly way of life.

It's better than stabbing himself at least.

SS/VW/Early AM Dimitri is a very dangerous Chaotic Stupid. Raphael is Stupid Good.

Honestly if people didn't decide to rally behind him in his current state he'd just be wandering the border murdering Imperials.

So Dimitri is playing Fire Emblem Warriors then.

Don't mind me, just sharing the meme edit I have been waiting for ever since the first Cindered Shadows trailer dropped.

Also hi, Dimitri!

Stupid Neutral, perhaps?

While we’re on the topic of categorising characters, how about Sorting into the four Hogwarts houses? I know we can generalise each of the official houses with a clean-cut analogue (well, kind of - BE is more a Ravenclaw/Slytherin amalgam, unless the Church is Slytherin because green and reptile mascot), but breaking individual characters down is where things get interesting.

For the Lords, as an example:

• Edelgard is a Slytherin in Ravenclaw’s clothing.
• Dimitri tries to be a Hufflepuff, but he embodies both the good and the bad of Gryffindor.
• Claude has traits of Slytherin and Hufflepuff, but I’d say he’s closest to Ravenclaw with how he sees things and gathers information.

For other examples: Hubert is either a Slytherin or a Hufflepuff (he’s not ambitious for himself and works hard); Dedue is a Huffle, albeit with strong Gryff qualities; Seteth is a Ravenclaw; Catherine is a Gryffindor (she’s loyal and hardworking, but I’d argue more brash); Flayn is a dyed-in-the-wool Hufflepuff...

Thoughts and discussions?

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Apr 4th 2020 at 6:21:02 AM

Slytherin also has the unspoken trait of being really racist, and that is something they actually prize. The Sorting Hat never mentions it for obvious reasons, but it was something Salazar Slytherin very much had in mind when he founded the house. No less than Gryffindor making bravery a trait for his house. It's something I always keep in mind when I play the Sorting game.