Overshadowed By Controversy Cleanup

cut. he wasn't really "overshadowed" because people were criticizing reagan for his handling of the aids crisis and the war on drugs during his term. it's not like his critics were enjoying it while it happened. for it to be overshadowing would require it to be a bipartisan issue, such as the case with nixon and watergate

Yeah, he isn't overshadowed. There are a lot of things of his legacy that are better known than the HIV/AIDS aspect and thanks to partisanship I would be surprised if it's even a majority viewpoint.

I agree. Reagan is definitely seen as a beloved figure on both sides of the political aisle. People who were alive back during his presidency frequently cite him as the last good President America has had when compared to all of his successors. I think some things he did could be seen as controversial, but they don't overshadow his whole presidency to the point that they define his presidency.

To counter, the people who hate Reagan hate him for a lot of varied reasons - his complete failure to handle the AIDS crisis, the War on Drugs and its impact, the failure of Reaganomics, etc. He's not overshadowed to them as much as just bad.

From what I've seen. Regan is just divise. Which isn't really the Same as overshadowed by a single controversy

I know people around my age dislike him (well my friends and I sure don't), but that doesn't mean he's overshadowed.

Honestly, the biggest controversy of Reagan's presidency was probably the Iran-Contra scandal, but even that was little more than a blip in the radar to most people. Divisive sure, and there is plenty to discuss about him negatively. But he's still held in too high regard by too many to be considered OBC.

Reagan is indeed very divisive. From what I can gather, on the right, he's a beloved figure, while on the left he is mostly despised (but there are still some defenders). He definitely isn't overshadowed by any single controversy, however.

Plus again. This stuff was controversial back then too. It didn't become that over time like that entry is saying.

We agreed he's not an example, so let's just cut him and not risk devolving into off-topic political discussion.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 14th 2021 at 6:28:59 AM

Nah, I feel the need to bring up the following ones: Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, and Recep Erdoğan. Not because they aren't controversial, but because they are pretty much all controversy and thus nothing to really "overshadow". What do you guys think on those?
But yeah, the Reagan discussion is as good as closed.

Edited by DDRMASTERM on Apr 14th 2021 at 4:36:38 AM

Yeah they're the same kind of thing as Reagan where there isn't a single incident overshadowing their legacies entirely.

Yeah all three assholes no doubt bit their are a ton of things you can bring up about them which is not a single controversy.

I'm starting to wonder if we should put a longer waiting period on politicians, or even real life examples in general.

Politicians are iffy to me in general tbh.

I feel like, barring a major all-encompassing event like Watergate, it's hard for politicians to get pigeonholed because they generally cover a lot of different ground as part of their job. Even Single-Issue Wonk types will have to deal with other issues like taxes, roads, or natural disasters at some point.

It also takes a while for history to settle what you're going to remembered for as a politician.

And even those life-changing events might better fit Never Live It Down, which already has a long waiting period.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 14th 2021 at 7:02:16 AM

And I still personally think real life examples of NLID are misuse of the trope...but that's off topic.

A while back I proposed a ban on politicians currently serving in office, so I'm welcome to something like that.

I would personally agree with a ban on discussing politics who are still active, since it could lead to violations of the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment. Not to mention the possibilities of flame wars.

I think that a politician should be out of office entirely before becoming overshadowed by controversy. I think the only other President in modern history who might be worthy of including would be Donald Trump, and that would have to be included after the country recovers from this pandemic and we see wait and see how Donald Trump's successors fare in office when compared to Donald Trump.

Edited by wesker56 on Apr 14th 2021 at 8:34:55 AM

Except Trump is another example that's 90% controversy. I think it only works for him in the context of his non-political work being overshadowed.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 14th 2021 at 8:36:56 AM

Like trump has like tons of stuff you can mention as well. Theirs no one thing either....

The whole point of the politicians category was to talk about the controversies that occurred during their reign. With Trump, whatever he did as President goes under that, like the bungling of the coronavirus response, appointing a justice during a pandemic, major cities looking like a warzone, his support of unproven vaccines, attempting to illegally obtain information on political rivals from enemy countries, etc. All that stuff overshadows his lowering of the corporate tax rate and being the first President in some time to not put the USA into a new war.

Politicians ain't works. The laconic says "The controversy is deeply associated with these works, or is the only thing people remember about them."