We've just pushed a large overhaul public. Please report complaints, comments and concerns here. When reporting bugs, please make sure you include which browser(s) and platform(s) you have encountered the issue with.
Answers to Frequently Asked Questions
- Why did we do this? This update has been in development for over a year. It replaces a vast amount of messy code on the back-end, gives us a new modernized design, updates us to https, and creates a platform that we can more easily build on for future updates.
- Can we go back to the old design? This isn't happening. We'll make the new one work.
- Why are there so many bugs? As with any major overhaul, some problems will occur. The developers are working full-time on fixing stuff.
Frequently Reported Issues
This isn't everything, just the most common problems.Status Values
- Being logged in as someone else, sort of. [FIXED]
- Where'd the "Folders Open" toggle go? Not a bug, it's in your profile.
- Multiple issues with the new site search feature. [Logged]
- No sorting options.
- Forum poster search is gone. [FIXED]
- Can't search specifically by thread title, making results unhelpful.
- Pagination doesn't work correctly — the last page displays as if there were no search results.
- Line breaks don't work in some areas. (Ask The Tropers, Trope Launch Pad, forum previews) [Patched]
- ATT, TLP, forum previews fixed. Some more line breaking issues were identified and are being worked on.
- The Cut List does not work.
- Cannot approve or deny requests. [FIXED]
- Line breaks don't work. [FIXED]
- Cut request reasons don't appear. [FIXED]
- Additional cutlist issues noted here
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- Note, subscript, and superscript formatting are broken in various places. [FIXED]
- Night vision has significant readability problems. [Patched]
- Namespace index is broken. [Logged]
- Articles may become locked when edited, or when backing out of editing without clicking Cancel. Moderators can remove the locks but can't fix the underlying problem. [Patched]
- Remaining issue: the lock system still doesn't distinguish between an article that's locked and one that's checked out for editing.
- Edits won't save when "<" or ">" characters are present in the markup. [Patched]
- HTML detection was disabled for the time being. We're working on a more robust system.
- Edits won't save when the [norreallife] tag is present in the markup. [FIXED]
- Redirects are broken. [Patched]
- This is at least partially fixed. We need to know if there are any remaining problems.
- Indexing is broken. [In Progress]
- Images on wiki articles are rendered smaller than in the previous design. [Patched]
- Resizing images with [quoteright] tags is still broken.
- The "Following" list (formerly called the Watchlist) doesn't distinguish visually between viewed and unviewed articles. [In Progress]
- Custom titles are no longer appearing in all places where they should. [FIXED]
- In-line icons for Flame Bait, Trivia, and YMMV wicks are intended, but sometimes overlap preceding text. [Patched]
- Trivia icons should not appear in-line. (Design issue, logged)
- In second-level bullets, icons overlap preceding text. [Logged]
- The [invoked] tag no longer suppresses the aforementioned icons. [Logged]
- [quoteblock] markup causes everything inside to appear italic and squashed together. [FIXED]
- Line breaking for external links doesn't work correctly. [FIXED]
- Post numbering is no longer visible, although you can retrieve it from the hard-link. [Logged]
- "Delete all posts by user" mod feature now causes posts to be completely hidden instead of replaced with "Troll Post". [Logged]
- "Mark all as read" forum feature doesn't work. [Logged]
- "Save Draft" feature doesn't work as expected. [Logged]
- Forum post preview doesn't show all markup. [FIXED]
- Unread indicators on individual forums (topics.php) seem to have nothing to do with whether you actually have any unread posts. [Logged]
- Avatar upload is broken. [In Progress]
- Avatar galleries aren't formatted properly. [Logged]
- Crowners are broken. [Logged]
- Namespace configurator (mod tool) is missing some auto page type options, and the namespace locking feature doesn't work. [Logged]
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Edited by Fighteer on Jul 13th 2018 at 3:56:59 PM
@Discar, this one is now fixed
- For some reason, in here, the "open / close all folders" control appears in the middle of the page, just beside the sixth folder. (Win 10/Chrome)
Edited by DanteVin on Jul 9th 2018 at 1:47:05 AM
With Great Power, Comes Great Motivation
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
I mentioned this a while ago, but I still think that threads with unread posts should go above threads without unread posts on the Followed Threads list.
Lost in Space
I don't agree. I think the sorting by last post date is best.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
To update on a previous post, the Projects - Short Term subforum shows up bolded and claims the newest post was made July 7th, even though all the threads within it are read, and the newest post is July 5th. The "Mark All As Read" button does not make this go away.
Firefox on Mac OS X.
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
The outbound URL issue is still technically broken, Discar.
Edited by eagle108 on Jul 8th 2018 at 6:56:48 AM
So, most of the trope/work/article names that are formatted in Custom Wikiwords still show up In The Default Format instead of the Custom Wikiword format when they're linked within other pages. For example, The Perils of Being the Best.
Edited by SomeoneElse17 on Jul 8th 2018 at 4:03:38 AM
Just found a bug with the fancy new forum search function; not sure how many times it's been reported. The new search doesn't handle quotation marks correctly- if you put more than a single pair of quotation marks in your search terms (it happens if there's only a single quotation mark, too, just not as consistently), as in my attempt at searching for a specific one of my posts in a particular thread, the search function will instead locate what appears to be every instance of quotation marks in the forum/wiki.
It's fine if the devs aren't able to work in exact-phrase quotation mark searching right now (although it would be awesome if they could), but I would be content for now with quotation marks simply being ignored instead of being considered their own search term.
EDIT: If it matters, I'm using Google Chrome 67 on Windows 10.
Edited by CrystalGlacia on Jul 8th 2018 at 9:54:16 AM
"Jack, you have debauched my sloth."
Redmess
I'm pretty sure quotation marks should NEVER be an active search term by default.
Optimism is a duty.
If I go to previous comics in the Tropes Illustrated box on the home page, the link text will change to another trope but the URL will not—the link always goes to Super-Soldier. Similarly, the trope description is always from Super-Soldier.
Also, this post claims to have been edited at 5:43 AM Pacific time... It was PM.
Edited by urutapu on Jul 8th 2018 at 5:47:34 AM
Redmess
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Now that you mention it, the "Edited" message displays the time of change at the poster's local time zone, not at the reader's time zone. Is that supposed to be that way?
Hello, Minni from the browser planet Chrome, here.
This is my first time noticing this but, when I was looking at the Miraculous Ladybug sub character page, the sidebar (the area that displays the switches, Ask the Tropers, and such) is on the bottom of the page and I've tried refreshing the page. Weirdly, other general character pages aren't showing up like that.
Thanks for your time.
I noticed that the recent changes times out on occasion if you go back to it via a saved bookmark, so I have to view it by going to the front page then reloading that page manually.
I'm assuming it's an issue with page caching or something, but it never happened before the update.
Edited by GethN7 on Jul 8th 2018 at 6:43:04 AM
Another new forum search bug: it shows the text (a preview, but the text nonetheless) of thumped posts.
"Jack, you have debauched my sloth."
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
@Fighteer You can sort by last post date and prioritize unread posts over read posts. When I'm not caught up on a series, I tend to avoid the thread in question to avoid spoilers, and it'd be easier if those were at the top of the page when I do decide to catch up instead of having to scroll halfway down the page.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 8th 2018 at 7:39:45 AM
The Unknown
One of my forum post drafts was eaten by the system. Might have been Data Vampires but thought it was still worth reporting. Using Safari on my iPhone 6.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Theon is home.
Question: replies to ATT posts now open is a separate page. Is ATT being retooled to facilitate lengthier discussions instead of queries needing quick answers?
If so, I can understand such a change accommodating longer threads, but if not, I think it would be more beneficial to the page's purpose to retain (or rather re-instate) "show replies" on the same page.
insert commentary here
So the forum search option really needs more advanced search parameters like only checking thread titles because there are way too many posts to sift through if you just want to find a specific thread.
Also selecting the Video Games sub-forum for a search seems to be broken as it also brought up all the Forum Games threads in the search results for some reason, using Chrome on a Macbook Pro
Edited by Nouct on Jul 8th 2018 at 11:35:36 AM
Redmess
I agree, a general search is now flooded with Just for Fun results.
Optimism is a duty.
Did the update take away the ability to holler our own posts, or am I only imagining that was ever a thing? I thought it was a way of bringing mod attention to a potentially heated conversation without implying that anyone was actually doing anything wrong yet, but when I intended to do it just now I couldn't find an option. I could have sworn it used to be there - am I confusing this with another site?
Yeah, the Holler option isn't on my posts, either. The removal does break an actual workflow- if you needed your own thread moved, the customary way was to holler your own OP, and now you have to rely on someone else to do that.
In addition, the "new PM" banner seems to be gone again- I didn't realize I had a new PM for a few hours because the only indication was a little red dot in the upper-right corner. I mean, if there's concerns about multiple banners for multiple new PMs messing up page layouts or something, that could easily be fixed by making the banner say something like, "Crystal Glacia, you have {unreadMessageCount} unread PM(s)." That, or it could be made a profile option.
"Jack, you have debauched my sloth."
Just so we're clear, the holler button now reads «Report this», yes?
Edit: yeah, I can confirm one can't holler one's own post.
Edited by Gosicrystal on Jul 9th 2018 at 3:37:45 PM
Another issue with this latest update. I've found that every time I log in, I have to manually change my display settings, rather than the site saving and enacting them automatically like it used to. Is there a fix for this, or am I missing something in my preferences?
Until next time...
Anon e Mouse Jr.
Another display problem summary post. Also tell me if something has been fixed but I don't have it noted:
- Folders (progress has been made)
- The folder buttons could still stand being a little darker. A little more contrast won't hurt.
- I still believe the folder names should be centered like how they were in the previous version.
- I'd be happy with them being about the same size as the old ones, as well as the name centering.
- Can we have the older folders' blue and centeredness back? The current look is hard on the eyes and awkward-looking.
- Quote spacing
- Also, as an addendum to my statement about the Quotes, now I also notice that they suddenly start to take up way more space than they used to. This is especially an issue for wordier ones. From what I can tell, they have more than doubled the space they take. And that mostly seem to be due to just unused empty space between rows. While this isn't so much an issue on Quotes pages where there is enough space to go around, on Trope and Works pages it causes issues even for quotes that aren't even that long.
- Quote indents (FIXED!)
- Bullet indents (FIXED!)
- Bullet spacing
- Image sizes, with borders (FIXED!, some related issues still exist)
- The original maximum size has been restored, but width settings in [quoteright] and [caption-width-right] markup don't work.
- No spoiler toggle on the sidebar (FIXED!)
- Line breaks don't work properly (especially bad on quotes pages)
- Weird alphabetization on related pages
- Note tags are plain text (FIXED!)
- Subscript and superscript formatting (FIXED!)
- (mobile Chrome) the first few options on the main menu are gargantuan and take up about an eighth of the screen each
- The arrows you press to navigate a thread only appear at the bottom of the page (previously they appeared at the top as well). (FIXED!)
- Indentation of numbered bullets is inconsistent with regular ones, and how much indentation there is seems to depend on a number of factors (FIXED!)
- The before and after boxes in History are way to near each other, some text I've seen also goes outside the box as well, they need to be expanded a bit.
- (Firefox) Cursor disappears in text box for PMs and editing. (FIXED!)
- (Firefox) Using the find function (CTRL+F) on a page with folders will find text inside the folders even if they are closed, making it difficult to find anything.
- Another display issue found: when Night Vision is turned on, the white text and light bars for "Header" and "WMG" headings, as well as newly posted forum comments I've made, make them practically unreadable. (FIXED!)
- I also find the massive editing space unwieldy, as it requires scrolling through two spaces, with the editing bar getting in the way now that it's laying directly over where I'm trying to type.
- The last entry of a bulleted list has little spacing compared to the rest, while in the source code, there is a line break. I guess a second level heading (!!) has something to do with it. (Win 10/Chrome)
- Check the Quotes tab, first level ("Songs") and second level ("English Vocals") headings have the exact same text formatting. (Granblue Fantasy, Win 10/Chrome) (FIXED!)
- The WMG Headings are now in plain text format (same size as the normal text, and no longer in bold) (Win 10/Chrome)
- For some reason, in here, the "open / close all folders" control appears in the middle of the page, just beside the sixth folder. (Win 10/Chrome) (FIXED!)
- On forum search results, the titles are way oversized, they could stand being a smaller font to make the search results a bit better searchable.
- The followed threads page has a lot of unnecessary white space, something that seems to be a general design feature now.
- Dunno if its been brought up before but some of the drop down selections, like opening the relationship status in the profile section, appear as a white box with pale pink text that's impossible to see. It makes it hard to select things. Same thing happens when a new post is first made.
- The blue highlight for a new post overrides mod hat red.
- Can't holler your own post.
- No longer an edit button on the history tab. (FIXED!)
- A minor display issue: The new "This is a YMMV/Trivia entry" icons on the main page overlap the surrounding text. For that matter, I don't think the icons should be right in front of the pothole; they should replace the bullet point, as they did in the previous version. Looked nicer that way. (FIXED!)
- Forums:
- Forum posts are no longer numbered.
- The number of the last page on a given forum thread no longer shows up. (FIXED!)
- The page select options are no longer at the top of the page as well as the bottom. (FIXED!)
- Post boxes should come back.
- Big forum badges create a lot of unnecessary white space under a short post (there aren't many people this applies to, even among the minority with badges, but still worth mentioning).
- Quoteblocks:
- Quoteblocks are italicized, which serves no purpose except to make impossible to italicize quoted text. (FIXED!)
- Quoteblock text is too small and too close together. If anything with more than one line is highlighted, it immediately becomes unreadable. (FIXED!)
- Line breaks and indents don't work properly in quoteblocks. (FIXED!)
- Win 7, Firefox. Visual bug: The last folder of a section practically sits on top of the header in the next section, as in there's no spacing in between. (FIXED!)
- I don't mind the new design (in some places, it doesn't look that different from the previous one) but some color choices are ugly. Gotta agree about that cold dark blue-grey.
- I don't like that YMMV pages have the exact same color scheme and font as the main page. Doesn't have to be huge, but having a slightly different header color or something would help to keep people confusing the two areas (which we definitely don't want).
- Also, can the Tearjerker pages back to a blue and a the YMMV pages back to yellow-orange?
- Edit window's too wide on mobile (using Safari on an iPhone 6). Since there's little side space, it's extremely difficult to scroll down the page to get to the edit reason box.
- Another minor design/color nitpick: Links are now blue on Nightmare Fuel pages. I can't say whether I dislike it because it's different from the old blood-red or if it kills the scary mood they're trying to convey (much like how hot pink doesn't go with Tear Jerker.)
- AC text (AC: text ]] ) is too large and messes with the formatting of many pages
- Outbound links with long display text break the bullet spacing. Depends on how long the text is in comparison to screen size.
- Some places here feel a bit cramped with the new design changes. Like the New Edits, list. Everything is just grouped so close together that it looks ugly.
- Can we have a note as to how the following page is not fit for purpose? The old watchlist had red dots that immediately caught your eye. The following page on the other hand is extremely ugly, too cluttered and too close together.
- I wouldn't mind the speech bubbles if they stood out a little more. The new design is a bit lacking in accessibility for the visually impaired.
- One thing I'm noticing is that there are small dot lines separating bullet points, but not every paragraph is separated. Take the YMMV for Hairspray as an example, with there being lines in between most paragraphs but not between Broken Base and Designated Hero
- Looking through some character pages, links to Trivia items have a ? box before them, even if they're not listed as a trope but just mentioned in the description of one. Plus, when this ? box appears inside a nested list, it receives "margin-left: -22px" and overlaps the text before it. (former is intended, latter is FIXED!)
- History entries don't display code in a monospace font - they have a "monospace-font" class applied, but no such class exists. (FIXED!)
- TLP entries are very tightly packed, making them hard to read. Suggesting something like: .comment-title { margin-bottom: 1em; } .footer { margin-top: 1em; padding: 9px; }
- When Left-Handed Sidebar is enabled, the top bar's "Follow TV Tropes" and "Page Actions" no longer line up with the content they're related to. Could they be coded to switch positions when this option is on?
- On the Followed Pages list, it could be made clearer which of the pages you're following have been recently updated. Currently, recently updated pages just show up as slightly darker than the default background, which—since the list already has an alternating dark-light background scheme—makes it a bit hard to tell at a glance which updated pages you haven't yet accessed.
- Visual bug: Spacing between folder and header still not fixed.
- Visual bug: Spacing between the ! header and text above/below isn't consistent, where some times the previous section's text would be right on top of the header, while other sections would be evenly spaced out.
- Change logs are all smushed together so there's no return lines, making it hard to read.
- I still haven’t seen any direct response to my concerns about the forum interface. Everything is still very crowded and unreadable on safari/mobile, from the cluttered forum listings to the weird avatar/username/post display in individual threads. Everything is smushed together and indistinguishable; avatars and usernames aren’t coherently aligned with the text of posts, and the posts themselves are aligned weird. Plus, the new page number display is really hard to see/not distinct. And the forum watchlist is still useless. Showing all threads but making updated ones bold is overwhelming and indistinguishable.
- A step back design flaw: the thread watchlist does not appear in mobile view. Also, NONE of the four display toggles can be changed in mobile view.
- I can't find the "cancel/back" button or the "image" button on my smartphone. Also, on the same phone, the text on the "edit" button appears on top on the icon, not next to it as on the other buttons.
- A few Night Mode issues I noticed (Chrome, Windows 10).
- The post box is unusable in Night Mode◊. Seriously, it's not.
- The highlighted posts are barely readable.
- Coloured text should probably have a transparent background, rather than a white background. The contrast is uncomfortable when on Night Mode.
- The post box is unusable in Night Mode
- It seems you can no longer edit your own posts on the discussion pages for works and tropes. Not to mention that typing in a quotation mark or an apostrophe will always leave behind a little "/" with it.
- Windows 10, Chrome; there are bullet points missing on TLP drafts. Specifically, it seems first level bullets aren't displaying, while second and third line bullets are fine.
- Putting a folder in a forum post creates a lot of unnecessary white space (see this post for an example)
- Three bullet indents seem to randomly indent more than they should (FIXED!)
- Looks like the headers for the YMMV tropes is back to a guy shrugging instead of a scale.
- Also, just noticed that the search icon is missing when on the front page on mobile. If I want to search something, I have to go to another page and use the search function there. Is it supposed to be like that? The previous design showed the search icon even on mobile.
- I can't figure out how to make the Invoked tag for in-universe YMMV tropes invisible. Am I doing something wrong, or is that a glitch?
- Can you at least fix the Thread Watch by having an option to sort the order posts are shown by having the most recently responded to watched posts appear on top and having the ones with no new responses appear on the bottom?
- I'm not a fan of how the TLP no longer tells you when a draft was last edited/commented on and by who. It's frustrating when a draft with an active discussion is at the top of the list because unless I remember how many comments were there last time I checked I have to look again to see if anything changed. Also, it's a bit annoying how the only difference between read and unread drafts is that the font is bold on unread drafts. I miss the "new" marker.
- Visual bug: Just what the HECK happened to the images? Consistent size visually, yes, but not when the pixels are at different ranges. Now the taller pictures take up more space than usual. Also, that border/box still looks redundant/unnecessary. (Win 7, Firefox) (FIXED!)
- If you go to TLP Reform Statistics (look at page source too), you'll see that the colon indentation method is broken. If you use two colons at the start of a line, it's supposed to indent the line. More colons, a greater indent. But it looks like the indentation is like a line break no matter what. ("FIXED!')
- My personal recommendation for the spacing is to add back the subtle gray dotted lines between examples (see random wayback machine page). The current spacing isn't terrible, but I still think that will help.
- Subtle vertical lines have been added instead of horizontal ones; opinions are mixed.
- Quote indentation is broken again; quotes are indented one line less than the number of dashes. So two dashes (which is what is supposed to go under one bullet) is the same level as one bullet. Looks terrible. (FIXED!)
- The markup that used to decrease font size isn't working. See the first sentence on TLP Crash Rescue Tallies, which should be decreased by two sizes. The page loads the font as the smaller size and then resizes it half-a-second later to match the normal font size. (Desktop, Windows 10, Chrome) (FIXED!)
- Wiki discussion visual bug: The "Hide/Show Replies" button obscures part of the starting post.
- Minor visual bug, LG K10, Chrome. Titles on ATT overlap with the timestamp. Here's a screenshot where it's evident.
Anything else? And try to include your browser and OS. Especially if I have something labeled "fixed" but it's not fixed for you.
EDIT: Didn't notice we were still on the same page as yesterday. Guess this post is a bit redundant then, but whatever.
Edited by Discar on Jul 9th 2018 at 7:25:15 AM
Redmess
Ok, I now have some draft paragraph permanenty appear in every new post I write. How do I fix this?
Optimism is a duty.
Another display problem summary post. Also tell me if something has been fixed but I don't have it noted:
Anything else? And try to include your browser and OS. Especially if I have something labeled "fixed" but it's not fixed for you.