Misused: Urban Legend Of Zelda

I actually stated in an edit that I changed my mind and think legends about pop culture in general (instead of just video games) would be fine as long as the pop culture aspect is vital (see crazysamaritan's previous post, for example). In other words, anything that would work without the pop culture aspect (which would include pretty much anything involving the paranormal or conspiracies) wouldn't count. I could understand that edit being missed because I'm currently sick (which is why I've been less active on TRS and Image Pickin') and I was tired when I made my previous posts, so they ended up being unnecessarily rambly.

edited 23rd Mar '18 10:18:57 PM by GastonRabbit

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I'm in favor of cutting the non-video game examples and keeping the page video game-specific.

If that is the case though the name really needs to go. Its never going to actually stop collecting urban legends, in universe and out. That includes video games about actual urban legends like the Persona 2, 4 and 5.

False Easter Egg or something like that.

I would support defining as urban legends about easter eggs/interactive content, allowing non-videogame examples if clearly explained. "Urban Legend about Pop Culture" seems different enough to either have its own page or stay with Urban Legends generally.

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I will fight to not change the name since this one is such a big trope.

Keep the name, expand to be about real-world urban legends about video games or their content and split off the other media to it's own trope.

edited 24th Mar '18 5:21:33 PM by shoboni

Polybius is itself an urban legend. ULOZ is not about whole games, just specific parts of them.

Discussion has provided three alternatives:

1. Cut ULOZ, and move all examples to Urban Legends
2. Define ULOZ to be videogame medium-specific examples of Urban Legends (redirect UrbanLegends.Video Game to Urban Legend of Zelda)
3. Define ULOZ to be Urban Legends of Easter Eggs in any medium.

Are there any other suggestions? Are there any arguments for/against these actions that people haven't had a chance to articulate?

edited 26th Mar '18 2:03:42 PM by crazysamaritan

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You are missing "Leave as is".

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Been following it, but haven't had much to add. Urban Legend of Zelda is a very specific type of Urban Legends that can only happen in interactive media. More specifically it's about urban legends about the content within the works, rather than around them or how that content affects things outside the work. In theory it could be possible in any media, but if you don't have interactivity you have it in plain text or pictures, which means there probably won't be an urban legend about it as they require at least some lack of verifiabiility.

Technically it shouldn't be Trivia, but YMMV, since it's an Audience Reaction.

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You and the other moderators have said not to include that as a crowner option because it's the default. Is there a new default?

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

@57: "Define Urban Legend of Zelda as 'Urban legend about nonexistent content in interactive media' (i.e. what it started as), clean up description, clean up examples, and make a different trope for urban legends about media."

Related to post 60, I could have sworn that downvoting all options was equivalent to voting to leave as-is.

edited 25th Mar '18 3:02:33 PM by GastonRabbit

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You forge leave U Lo Z for gaming related Urban Legends and move other mediums to their own trope ala Vaporware and Development Hell.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:11:28 PM by shoboni

On the topic of the non-video game examples, I completely support the idea of them getting their own trope instead of being cut completely.

I noticed that the Urban Legends page doesn't seem to have a lot of debunked meta rumors in it, mainly references to real life urban legends In-Universe.

After thinking about it, I'm leaning towards expanding the definition to be about video game urban legends in general and moving the non-video game examples to their own trope.

At that point it would just be the video game subpage of Urban Legends.

Which would be fine because we have Vaporware as a video game subpage of Development Hell to preserve the term.

Other media-related Urban Legends have enough to make into their own trope entirely like Pop Culture Urban Legend

Comparing it to how other tropes are organised doesn't work, because all tropes don't work and correleate to related tropes the same way. "We did it with another trope" is very rarely an argument for doing something, since circumstances are almost always different. And if you have to make a change to make that comparison fit, you're applying a hammer to fit the square trope in the round hole.

I think that if you remove the requirement that the trope is about rumours of in-work content to just being about rumours, then you're removing what makes it distinct.

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Ooops, I forgot the word "videogame" in #2! I had rephrased (leave U Lo Z for gaming related Urban Legends) as "Define ULOZ to be [videogame] medium-specific examples of Urban Legends" and left out the part where we create new tropes for each medium (move other mediums to their own trope) because Urban Legends hasn't been proven to have issues.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

IT DOES work in this case because the tropes would be structured the same way

Vaporware is a widely used term. There's a solid reason for splitting that one off—people outside of TV Tropes use a different term for software. We're basically following standard English there.

That argument doesn't apply in this case—"Urban Legend of Zelda" is not a widely used term. The justification for making it a separate trope just isn't there.

That said, I think there's a case for making this about interactive digital media. That would include things like DVD menus (I've heard some urban legends about things hidden there) and flash animations. But would mostly be video games, so the "it should be about video games" crowd can't complain too much.

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I think Urban Legend of Zelda should specifically be for rumors about the game's CONTENT. Hidden unlockables, secret levels, ways to save a dead character, etc.

Rumors about the game's development or other real-world events aren't actually about the game itself, so they'd just be regular Urban Legends. Polybius, the Columbine shooters making Doom levels of their school, Starcraft originating as a Warhammer game, don't fall under that definition.

You mean the tropes would work like that after some generous application of hammers to remove what makes it unique. As it is, they're not.

Just because people call it something else doesn't mean it works like something else. And that works the other way around as well: Just because people don't call it by a specific name doesn't mean it isn't a specific trope.

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And actually, Vaporware is not a subtrope of Development Hell. Vaporware is about pre-announcements, which are often made to forestall competitors—often before development has even started.

It can overlap with Development Hell, but it's not the same thing at all. Note that the Vaporware page (correctly) says to compare with Development Hell, rather than claiming to be a subtrope.

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