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Dec 14th 2017 at 9:32:25 AM

Nah, they will put it under Marvel studios, but they will market it as something different.

Zendervai Eccentric Dreamer from St. Catharines Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
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Dec 14th 2017 at 9:47:36 AM

When it comes to the Fox TV channels, Disney probably isn't going to just wholesale cancel everything. That would be idiotic, especially since Disney would have to immediately refill the schedule. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Warner Bros just "randomly" decided to stop producing Gotham and Lucifer.

Disney has ABC for in-house stuff, and Fox produces a lot of TV as well, so that stuff is probably at least relatively safe. Fox also airs stuff produced by third parties, but ABC does too (the Good Doctor is a Sony Pictures TV production for example). I think as long as it doesn't create a bizarre rights snarl, they won't really care that much.

Dec 14th 2017 at 9:54:10 AM

Most of the TV channels aren't even part of the deal. The production companies are. It is on Murdoch to decide what to do now.

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Dec 14th 2017 at 3:47:48 PM

With the deal, I'm dreaded to think what atrocities the Murdochs will bring in the future, who are now solely focus on the news network business.

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Dec 14th 2017 at 4:02:35 PM

So, its come to this: The Simpsons, Futurama, Alien, Predator, Avatar, the international rights to Titanic, Blue Sky Studios (including the Ice Age series and The Peanuts Movie), and Fight Club are all about to join the Mouse House...

I'll have to see how all this plays out, I guess.

Edited by MrScout101 on Jan 12th 2019 at 10:10:05 AM

Dec 14th 2017 at 4:07:09 PM

On the bright side, this would possibly mean X-Men and Fantastic Four are no longer Exiled from Continuity.

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Dec 14th 2017 at 4:17:16 PM

[up] "Possibly" nothing, Disney is totally going to unexile them from continuity.

edited 14th Dec '17 4:18:15 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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Dec 14th 2017 at 4:39:44 PM

The X-Men (and Deadpool somewhat) are better off disconnected from the MCU.

edited 14th Dec '17 4:39:58 PM by Karxrida

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Dec 14th 2017 at 4:42:26 PM

[up]I agree

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Dec 14th 2017 at 5:03:58 PM

"One of the things we hear Snider (Chairman and CEO of 21CF) is telling staff is that it’s going to be business as usual over the next 12 to 18 months."

"20th Century Fox is expected to oversee their 2018 and potentially their 2019 release schedule on their own during this time."

http://deadline.com/2017/12/20th-century-fox-town-hall-film-side-in-sadness-uncertainty-fear-with-news-of-disney-merger-1202227143/

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Dec 14th 2017 at 5:15:00 PM

Would be funny if they released a Doom movie and started a new X Men universe to spite Marvel.

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Dec 14th 2017 at 5:46:47 PM

I can just see Bart writing lines:

"We were not taken over by an evil corporation."
"We were not taken over by an evil corporation."
"We were not taken over by an evil corporation."
"We were not taken over by an evil corporation."

edited 14th Dec '17 5:47:15 PM by Noah1

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Dec 14th 2017 at 6:16:56 PM

@Karx: I think a good idea is having him come in and out of the MCU continuity at will, as befitting his tendencies.

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Dec 14th 2017 at 7:50:56 PM

You've heard about the requirements for theaters to show The Last Jedi, right? Required showing windows and a higher take of the box office for the Mouse. They're already flexing their stake in the market in various ways, including those that directly affect what films you as a consumer can see when.
20th Century Fox was actually doing this sort of thing long before Disney. According to my university movie theatre (only one screen), you can only show their movies if each showing on a single screen in a day is of the same film. Which is why they often don't show Fox films - it simply wasn't economically feasible for such a small theatre. This is less applicable to Disney films, which often make enough money to justify two showings of the same film in a night for them, but

I'm with a lot of the posters on the first page of the thread - this deal is very worrying. Too many major corporations already have too much power; not only does this discourage competition and open communication, but it puts people at risk of being abused in a number of different ways. In my mind it seems highly unethical.

I don't give a damn if we're going to get good Fantastic Four movies now or whatever, in my mind the only good thing about this is that National Geographic might not be in the hands of a climate change denier anymore.

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Dec 14th 2017 at 10:10:10 PM

I am really surprised by this news. Next thing you know, all these mass-media mega-corporations will eventually merge into one.

edited 14th Dec '17 10:12:33 PM by AHI-3000

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Dec 14th 2017 at 10:56:26 PM

I don't see what the cause for concern is here.

Yes, as a general rule, a large corporation buying up another large corporation is worrying, as it reduces competition, which leaves both employees and consumers with fewer alternatives if the corporation starts abusing them. But looking at the media landscape now, I have hard time seeing how a lack of competition is even close to being a problem.

Thanks to advances in technology, the entry barrier for producing a film and distributing it to a wide audience has never been lower. And audiences have never been more spoiled for choice than they are now, in the era of peak TV.

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Dec 15th 2017 at 1:49:30 AM

[up] Yeah, I agree. You know what is really a concern for me? The loss of net neutrality in the US, because that one is really screwing the market in favour for the big companies. But Fox and Disney together they aren't bigger than Time Warner or Comcast, so they are hardly becoming an unstoppable behemoth (and I have rather Disney owning those assets than Comcast).

Plus, this is about more than just movies and theatre chains - who, btw, can always run another movie if they don't like the condition from Disney or Fox. Or just ask for more money for those movies while telling the audience "not our fault, complain to Disney". If you see this in the context of the streaming services on an international level, there is a true danger that Amazon and Apple will take over the market down the line. That was one of the reasons why I wanted Disney and Netflix to team up. Now Disney is going in without Netflix, and I hope that Netflix can survive under such circumstances, but the point is that in this segment we need more competition. And yes, I get it, a lot of people would prefer it if there is no competition at all and we could get all content which has ever been created from one streaming service. But that would be an actual monopoly.

Which reminds me...I am wondering, I know that there are movies which are public domain for one reason or another, but is it possible for movies to eventually enter public domain automatically the way it happens with books?

Dec 15th 2017 at 2:37:07 AM

Regarding the X-Men franchise (including Deadpool), my guess is that as long as they're making money, the Mouse will keep them as a separate universe from the MCU.

A Marvel Studios reboot of the Fantastic Four is inevitable, though. Once Thanos is defeated in Avengers 4, Marvel's going to want to have Doom and Galactus available for Phase 4 and beyond of the MCU.

Dec 15th 2017 at 2:53:51 AM

[up] I know that fans don't want to hear it, but the X-men franchise has underperformed compared to the MCU movies. Disney stands to make much more money out of it by rebooting it into the MCU one way or another (still think that they will go the alternate universe route). The only exception is Deadpool, who is an absolute over performer.

I think Disney will take their time. Let the X-men franchise at fox peter out (maybe an X-23 movie if they like the script but I doubt that Gambit has any future), let the TV shows have their run, do as many Deadpool movies as possible. I mean, the MCU is pretty much set up to 2020 anyway. and then, when everything is said and done, they will introduce the F4 for phase 4 and whatever they have in mind for the X-men (still think that they will go the alternate universe route, because it is the one which allows them all the freedom in the world).

And deadpool, well, if his movies are still going strong he can just break the fourth wall and hop over to their x-men verse.

edited 15th Dec '17 3:07:04 AM by Swanpride

Dec 15th 2017 at 3:55:19 AM

There are recent rumors of the next Ant-Man movie to introduce the concept of multiverse in the MCU. If true, it would come at an incredibly convenient moment.

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Dec 15th 2017 at 7:15:30 AM

I'm gonna put that in the "believe it when I see it" column, mainly because I have a hunch about where those rumors came from. Ant-Man ended on the implication that Janet was trapped in what the comics know as the Microverse, a subatomic reality that you fall into if you shrink down too far.

Since the second film is supposed to be about going to find her, it'd be really easy for someone unfamiliar with the comics to hear the concept of the Microverse and jump from that to "Scott and Hope visit a parallel dimension! Marvel's introducing a Multiverse!"

But it's not a parallel dimension in the Multiverse sense. Not any more than the Dark Dimension from Doctor Strange is. It's a different plane of existence, but not one where you'll find an Evil Captain America leading Mecha-nazis to take over the world from High Commander Peter Parker or some shit.

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Dec 15th 2017 at 7:48:11 AM

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Actually, if you adjust inflation the early X-Men films were extremely successful by today’s standards. X2 and X3 made 300+ million domestically by today’s prices like Deadpool. People tend to forget that ticket prices were cheaper back then.

I’m not sure why you think the X-Men being in the MCU means more of an audience. Adjusted inflation shows that Homecoming had a much smaller audience compared to the Raimi films and just a little above the first AMS.

edited 15th Dec '17 8:18:47 AM by ManOfSin

Dec 15th 2017 at 8:09:49 AM

[up] Not immediately but eventually, yeah. The Franchise is overdue for a reboot anyway.

btw, when I talked about Marvel edging towards the multiverse, I wasn't thinking about Ant-man but about Agents of Shield. I think they are testing the waters there.

Dec 15th 2017 at 8:43:01 AM

[up] That last part sounds unintentionally ominous.

"and at such time as we close this deal and have control"

edited 15th Dec '17 8:43:50 AM by lalalei2001

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