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- Anything white-majority. If it was Woman In A White Dress, then keeping it to a dress makes sense only then.
Disregarding the name for a second, does anyone have issues with Sandbox.Woman In White? Does it read like a distinct trope with clear criteria for inclusion of examples? Once there's some assent we can start discussing the name.
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- If it actually "Any woman that wears majority-white for a majority / all of her appearances..."
No, too broad. If I had a short story where it was at a wedding for the whole time, and the main character was the bride wearing a Fairy Tale Wedding Dress + Virgin in a White Dress...
That would count, when it means something different from "Other or not of this world"
Maybe specify a context requirement where it's unexpected, to exclude Labcoat of Science and Medicine.
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This trope is not just "character wears all white". The mysterious, otherworldly, tragic aspects are essential to the character type, and examples that do not fit this do not count. Is this unclear from the sandbox? This is also why we are discussing changing the name, as it's very vague.
The rest of the trope description is supposed to exclude those examples. A wedding dress is worn at a wedding is not mysterious, otherworldly, or inhuman, and the description specifically excludes Fairy Tale Wedding Dress. A wedding dress worn at an inappropriate occasion could count...
You could theoretically have some overlap with this and Labcoat of Science and Medicine, but the example would need to explain how it fits this trope. For example a character who used to be a doctor/scientist but who Came Back Wrong after dying in a lab accident and always wears the labcoat they died in. If it's just a lab coat because they're a doctor, that doesn't count.
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- The "Always wearing white", to me, was the more prominent part of the description, in:
I thought "There's something mysterious" was just a nice turn of phrase to start the description, but no, you mean it literally, which threw me off.
Edited by Malady on Aug 31st 2018 at 1:06:04 AM
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Are there changes that could be made to make this more clear? For the laconic, I was thinking something like:
"A mysterious woman with a tragic past and symbolic association with death, dressed all in white."
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Resetting clock.
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Crowner to redefine to definition in post 32
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I think "white-clothed character has already died, at least metaphorically" is a stronger statement to build on than "is mysterious". Here's a rewrite of the first paragraph with this as the goal:
This figure is either metaphorically or literally dead, wearing white clothing that marks her as having one foot on the Other Side. Her background is often left unresolved, and may be difficult to determine if she is dead or alive, human or spirit. Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Great idea, Sandbox updated accordingly.
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Created a crowner to drum up consensus here.
Bump for crowner. Is anyone still interested in this thread?
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Well, this should have something done to it, otherwise it'll need to be fixed at some other point.
It is a flawed Appearance Trope, I think.
Edited by Malady on Oct 4th 2018 at 12:42:56 PM
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After two weeks, leading option is "Rename, redefine to "white-clothed character has already died, at least metaphorically" from Post 36" with 6 up 2 down. This seems a bit weak, any more takers?
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Does Gandalf the White fit the definition? Should Gandalf the White fit the definition?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
^ For one thing, his listing under Man In White seems off.
Bump for crowner activity.
Depends on how much this trope needs to be "Expy of the White Lady legend". If we're being strict about it, Gandalf isn't a woman with a tragic past, so no. If we're being less strict, he's a mysterious figure with lots of power who comes Back from the Dead, so he would count. I lean towards the latter. Problem is, Gandalf has multiple white tropes going for him- Light Is Good, Mystical White Hair, etc, muddying the waters.
Man In White also has a lot of issues, I'll probably start a repair thread for it once we make some progress on this one.
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Bump for crowner activity
Edited by eroock on Dec 16th 2018 at 12:06:21 PM
Are there actually any options available?
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Crowner here. Top option at 6:2 vs 2:1 for next option.
We never did resolve the Gandalf issue... Personally, a lot of the examples I had in mind when thinking about this trope are more "white gown= ambiguously dead" than "white gown = death by loss of innocence", so I would lean towards including both in the definition, which makes things simpler. But I also realize that more specific is better for appearance tropes so this isn't a hill I want to die on.
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Bump. Any more opinions? Crowner still isn't really conclusive.
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Crown Description:
Thread voted to rename Woman In White to something more specific to its new definition (Character's symbolic connection to death/the spirit world signified by wearing all white).
So Woman In White would be a disambig for all tropes involving a white dress, including this one (whatever it gets renamed to)?
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