Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
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It is all very one sided for sure.
I think part of the issue is that people want a place to put common complaints about the show, but run into issues if the complaints are either very common (and thus there's no non-upset side to discuss) or if the complaints are not very common (and so they're misrepresenting the fandom). People want to bring up negative opinions, and putting them in Broken Base might seem like a more "neutral" way of doing it, but it's still misuse.
Am I making sense? I hope so.
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You're making sense. The real question (and the reason I came to this thread instead of simply cutting the two bullets outright) is to see if anyone who is a part of the show's fandom knows if the entries can be turned into legitimate ones or not.
Found on a fanfic's YMMV page:
- Broken Base: The series has two camps - either you love it or you hate it - and neither get along very well, if at all.
Is this an example? I deleted it, thinking it wasn't, but someone re-added it, claiming it was.
Edited by GoldenCityBird on Mar 18th 2020 at 9:34:06 AM
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Again, if you hate a story, then you're not part of its "base". So no, it doesn't count.
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That's from YMMV.To Trope Or Not To Trope, for reference. I actually just removed a Love It or Hate It example from there, because that's IUEO.
Redmess
That doesn't seem right. You can be a fan, but still dislike aspects of a show. Hating Scrappy Doo does not mean you hate the entire show and thus do not belong to its fanbase.
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But if you hate the story itself, you're probably not a fan of the work. Also, this work is literally only famous for being Anti-Tony Stark, so if you disagree with that, you're not a fan.
Yeah, I'm going to say that entry is misuse. Broken Base is meant to refer to the work's fanbase, and "people who don't like the work" aren't part of the fanbase.
Redmess
Yes, that seems fair.
Optimism is a duty.
What’s IUEO
Redmess
What is the context?
Optimism is a duty.
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IUEO: In-Universe Examples Only.
Love It or Hate It is IUEO, meaning we only want examples where the work itself describes something as "Love it or hate it", not when viewers feel that way. Note how the page doesn't have the YMMV banner at the top.
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They also asked me on PM after this, I've been trying to explain the situation to them. I'm not sure they'll be coming back to this thread.
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- Broken Base: The Adventures of Mana remake of the game being iOS- and Android-exclusive outside Japan rubs a few people the wrong way. On the same note, it not being on the Nintendo 3DS for some reason also tends to attract some ire, seeing as the original game was released on the Game Boy and the remake looks like something the 3DS could easily handle in terms of graphics. Slightly averted, now that the PS Vita version has been quietly released in North America and Europe.
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Er, yeah, "Slight Aversions" don't exist, so that line needs to go even if the rest of it is good.
Also, that's a very one-sided example; it doesn't say what the other side feels, just that "some people didn't like this".
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This was added back to the Diamonds' entry on BrokenBase.Steven Universe:
The troper who re-added it stated they saw the viewpoint in multiple different places, but didn't cite anything in particular.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Mar 22nd 2020 at 10:53:11 AM
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Have a hard time seeing those comparisments, considering that at least Russian Revolution is quite famously involved poor class overthrowing the elite (as history tells) and the Diamonds and the higher class Gems, who loved their rule vs Crystal Gems conflict doesn't look half close to resemble that. Not in a way that the author of this note implies it suppose to.
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- Broken Base: Aside from the visuals and Timon & Pumbaa, no one can really agree on what worked and what didn't or if it was bad, good, or just okay.
Redmess
I think we can definitely make a point of a broken base. There are a lot of fans who were disappointed with the movie, but I've also heard of people who uncritically liked it (mostly kids and teens).
Optimism is a duty.
"Some people liked it and some people didn't" isn't a Broken Base, it's called "what happens when an audience sees a movie."
A Broken Base is a sustained and especially vitriolic split among an existing fanbase.
Redmess
Yeah, I'm not really seeing that either. Unless anyone has seen evidence of that, I think you can cut that.
Optimism is a duty.
Unless there's a specific issue to hinge the debate on, "some people liked it while others didn't and there isn't any kind of singular reason for this" is too unspecific. At that point you're describing basically every fandom.
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From YMMV.Days'':
- Broken Base:
- The manga itself. Readers either find it genuinely inspiring seeing Tsukushi starting as a soccer player along with the fun cast interactions, or totally unrealistic (given that Tsukushi, a complete beginner is in the thick of selection for tournaments amidst very experienced players) and the soccer matches (exacerbated by the anime series) being the weakest part at the start note
- Tsukushi eventual role in soccer. Fans agreed starting as a striker, seeing him scoring an actual goal is going to be a highlight for this manga. But with his skill set proven as the matches go on, fans thought he might be more suited as a defensive midfielder.
The first one seems to just be comparing two very different parts of the manga. I'd say to cut that, at least.
The second one might be a valid conflict within the fandom. However, the way it is written doesn't show that. It needs to be rewritten, if not cut.
Edited by GoldenCityBird on Apr 17th 2020 at 8:45:29 PM
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The last two bullets for the Broken Base entry for YMMV.The Lion Guard are just one-sided complaining, and even the third bullet rants a lot more about the detractor side than it details the supporters. I've never watched the show nor have I mingled with the fandom (aside from reading the comment section of one song that told me nothing about the stuff the entries are discussing), so do you guys know if they can be salvaged?
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