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I'd consider two weeks far to short a time for opinions to shake out. I'd rather treat it like Deader Than Disco and give it a minimum of six months.
No, the other one.
For pre-release stuff, I think it pretty much has to get stuck in development, or something like with half a year without significant change.
Goku Black
Actually yeah that would be a beter idea as then long term opinions are formed and we dont have stuff about how future trunks hair colour changed or fake spoilers in danganrompa killing harmony listed
edited 9th Oct '17 11:51:45 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I think it's fair to be about that for prerelease info which continues unchanged into the main game's release if it's been around long enough. Certain decisions which are very controversial at the outset can last that way, and if they remain unchanged I don't think they should be excluded just because the game hasn't shipped yet. For example, I remember a significant amount of handwringing from fans upset about Captain America Civil War involving Tony Stark in a significant capacity due to the character's Hype Backlash as well as Cap fans wanting the film to focus more on their own characters back when the film was first announced years before its actual release, and the uproar continues to this day, as at no point in the development did that fact change. The film actual being release hasn't alleviated that either.
No, the other one.
That's a good argument for "sustained" at any rate.
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Goku Black
Yeah if it's something like that which will stay a broken base then it is fine but stuff like the games working title or whether a character will be playable when the game is months away really is kinda dumb.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I believe pre-release conflicts shouldn't count as Broken Base because often something the fans are divided on in trailers or pre-release material is either not present in the final product or not as prominent as the previews made it look (see Never Trust a Trailer). And as mentioned above, the fans may come to like something they were divided over in the previews. Plus we already have Tainted by the Preview for when fans don't like or are concerned about something in the previews.
edited 9th Oct '17 2:44:07 PM by ADrago
Goku Black
Honestly im going to agree with you if it's controversial then there is no harm in a wait as nothing will change in six months and a time limit is probably the best to weed out what people actually dislike as some entries are more nitpicks than actual entries.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Goku Black
oh god i found another on dissidia 2015 so I am just going to burn it.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Goku Black
As far as jojo goes I think keeping the page is fine but elaborate on why fans like or dislike a part. So each has its own entry and cut anything not important.
edited 10th Oct '17 12:38:48 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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Here's my write-up for Jojo if the controversial parts got expanded:
- Which part is the best? Which ones are bad? Each part has its supporters and detractors, but some parts are especially divisive:
- Part one, Phantom Blood, is almost universally seen as one of the weaker parts, with very few fans picking it as their favorite. But is it still enjoyable on its own, just not as much as the future parts, or is it a severe case of Slow-Paced Beginning that acts as an obstacle for new fans to slog their way through to get to the good parts?
- Part three, Stardust Crusaders, is the part that introduces the series' signature gimmick, Stands. Part three fans love how the Stands allow every fight to be very unique and creative. The Big Bad DIO gets a lot of praise, being one of the most popular and quotable villains in manga history. Some fans are also fueled by nostalgia, as for decades Stardust Crusaders was the only part to be marketed in the West, with the OVA and Capcom fighting game being many fans' first taste of JoJo. But the part also has many detractors, who criticize it for its highly formulaic structure, extremely basic and simple plot, large amount of Plot Irrelevant Villains, and relatively plain Stand abilities compared to those in future parts. The protagonist, Jotaro Kujo, is also polarizing, with his fans loving his stoic personality and Silent Fury, while his detractors point out how these traits lead to him being a boring, emotionless character. There's also a small minority who dislike how Stands result in Hamon being almost entirely phased out of the series, and wished that Hamon was still the Joestars' main weapon.
- Part five, Vento Aureo, is loved and hated for similar reasons to part three. It brings back the Monster of the Week formula that made Stardust Crusaders so polarizing, although this time the abilities tend to be more diverse and interesting. The group of heroes is considered to be one of the best in the series thanks to their close bonds, although the protagonist, Giorno Giovanna, is sometimes criticized for being a Supporting Protagonist who takes a back-seat to Bruno Buccellati. Another common criticism is the Big Bad, Diavolo, who is either a mysterious and threatening figure, or a boring and generic villain with incomprehensible motives. The final confrontation is also extremely divisive, with its detractors pointing to the Mind Screw-worthy abilities of the characters making the action nearly impossible to follow, and the climax being a colossal Ass Pull.
- Part six, Stone Ocean, is controversial mostly for its ending, which acts as a huge Reset Button for the entire franchise. Some fans applaud the audacity of killing off the heroes and resetting the universe, while others hate the part for the same reason. It also has some extremely strange abilities, bordering on nonsensical, such as Dragon's Dream and Heavy Weather, which some consider to push the "Bizarre" part of the title a bit too far.
edited 10th Oct '17 6:41:48 PM by Zuxtron
Given the criteria of this trope (sustained controversy with little to no middle ground), what would actually be a legitimate example of a Broken Base? Maybe the reaction to the Star Wars prequels?
There's been a steady but growing sentiment among many fans that the prequels are neither as good as the originals nor irredeemably terrible, so that's not an example.
But honestly, there are legit cases of Broken Base that have come up already - it's just that there's been so much misuse and shoehorned whining that they only make up a small minority of what comes through.
How I Met Your Mother's ending and the Jack/Ashi pairing from Samurai Jack are possibly good examples that come to my mind.
For what it's worth, I actually liked The Phantom Menace, although I was also 12 when I saw it.
Why do we have a religion section? Do religions really count as fandoms?
I don't think a Broken Base has to be broken permanently to count, just for a sustained period. For example, Kirk vs. Picard really was a significant break in the Trek fandom for a long time.
I'm not sure Star Wars ever went through a significant period like that though; there wasn't much of a middle period between "general consensus that the prequels are terrible" and "I guess if it's what you grew up with, you're entitled to your wrong opinion," neither of which are Broken Base.
edited 11th Oct '17 8:13:50 AM by HighCrate
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I would like to delete this entry for Xenoblade Chronicles X
Entry is about a different and not yet released game. Also very one-sided.
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Goku Black
Again ANYTHING from spoliers, trailers, previews or unreleased works need to be burnt so kill that with fire and it sounds more like fandom rivalry to me. The only exception is if the work is delayed than we can add broken base entries.
edited 11th Oct '17 11:38:09 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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BTW, I deleted the Broken Base wick from Pokkén Tournament that was mentioned last page.
And yeah, kill any pre-release stuff with sacred fire.
...It's weird having so many websites and no way to properly display now, lol.
Yeah, I put a broken base or 'changed it now it sucks' trope up on the Pacific Rim Uprising page. Since there is a clear 'sleakness' from Pacific Rim 1 and 2's mech designs. Mind you I thought I was covering both bases neutrally. Story wise made sense to me but yeah I look wistfully back at Pacific Rim's strange fleet of Jaegers. I don't hate the designs...I mean I pre-ordered the figures. I certainly hate more how people compare them to Bayformers.
Anyway I won't put it back up right now since I didn't realize I shouldn't have done that.
Goku Black
Nah man it's cool you did not know. Tainted by the preview and they changed it now it sucks can be added now as that is fine but an actual broken base entry should be after the movie is released.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Would it be appropriate to remove some of the more outdated examples from the Sports section? "Tebowing" is an outdated meme, and last I heard, Tim Tebow is playing baseball.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
I noticed that the cuts I made to New Danganronpa V 3 were reverted. I thought that we had reached a consensus that most of them were minor disagreements, but apparently the cut request for BrokenBase.New Danganronpa V 3 got declined despite the fact that there are only two valid examples on the page which easily fit in the game's YMMV page.
Pre-release controversy often dies down. Sometimes people even come to LIKE the very things they were once complaining about. Anyone remember when the Legend of Zelda fandom was sure that the cel-shadded style of The Wind Waker was the worst thing to ever happen to the series?