Misused (alt titles crowner 14 April 2019): Ghost Lights

Hitodama Light is launched, crosswicked, and indexed. Next step is adjusting the Hitodama redirect away from Ghost Lights.

Mind if I open up a image picking thread on that one? The lights arnt clear, something like this[1]◊[2]◊ would probably work better.

edited 22nd Nov '16 10:08:52 AM by Memers

Please do; I wasn't going to try image hunting. Cross-link here if you can.

Done.

Okay, I think I've successfully separated Hitodama Light from Ghost Lights.

Thanks for that. In other news, I've gone through the wicks for Ghost Lights and moved everything that was clearly Hitodama Light over to the new trope name (and usually did the Cross Wick as well). I generally left ZCE alone, since I'm not sure what the plan for Ghost Lights going forward is. Will the new supertrope (which should probably cover Spark Fairy that I found in this Wick Check) stay at Ghost Lights, or will it get used as a redirect for the new supertrope?

edited 29th Nov '16 11:33:34 AM by crazysamaritan

What is Spark Fairies? The sparks thrown by fairies?

Faries,fireflies and other magical sparkly things

Basically, Tinkerbell from Peter Pan, as opposed to a Will-o'-the-Wisp or Hitodama Light, but they're in the same class of "supernatural glowy thing".

Bump: What is the plan for Ghost Lights now?

That should become the supertrope; ~Madrugada did offer to write a sandbox for that.

I made a rough draft at Sandbox.Ghost Lights if ~Madrugada or another would like to expand on it.

Should I just switch it out?

It's short, but clear, and I majorly fell down on my promise to do it, so I don't feel I'm in any position to complain about it. I'd say go ahead and put it up.

Done. Wicks need checking, I think.

The Grimmery is a Ghost Wick to Ghost Lights, and I'd like someone else to review the Kamen Rider Ghost wicks to make sure it transfers over correctly. I'm not very familiar with the work/franchise.

Aside from those points, the wick cleanup is done.

~crazysamaritan: I think the ''Kamen Rider Ghost' character page wick is not an example of a ghost light - they seem more like regular light appearances. The main work page wick seems like a normal ghost light.

• shrug*

The series involves ghosts and Japanese symbology; I don't know enough of the franchise to have a strong opinion, just that the work must be playing with Ghost Lights somehow. Make whatever changes you think is correct.

~crazysamaritan: Are there any examples of the supertrope?

If we want to copy examples of supernatural creatures from Sickly Green Glow, yes. Otherwise I figured we've been done for months.

Ghost Lights being without examples is a problem, the trope does have examples that don't fit into subtropes.

What are those examples? Where are they?

Also, why does it say, "Alternative Title(s): Hitodama" under Ghost Lights but not Hitodama Light, but Hitodama still redirects to the latter?

Redirects need even the Main/ namespace now, so that's what caused that problem.

On another note, instead of Ghost Lights being a supertrope, wouldn't it make more sense to just make it an index?

I know there was consensus for making it a supertrope but if all of the examples fall into the "subtropes," then shouldn't we ask if this is even a trope in the first place? There's currently only six wicks to the page (only one is a wick to a work, Kamen Rider Ghost), and it's a pothole under Oni.

The trope repair was a hotbed of confusion at the time that was never addressed. Every step of the process seemed to cause more confusion. For instance, I don't know where the idea that the supertrope would not have examples of its own comes from? The identification of it being a supertrope was explicitly discussed in terms of examples definitely existing that don't fit subtropes; I cited one example at the time (Corpse Candles). There are plenty of other folklore examples that wouldn't fit the currently cited subtropes.

That said, even though it clearly doesn't originate in this way, A Light in the Distance is now already acting like a supertrope to things that would classify under Ghost Lights. So, perhaps A Light in the Distance needs to be double-checked as well.

edited 17th Dec '17 7:03:40 AM by Wyldchyld

I only meant that, looking at it now, there aren't any examples left except for one, meaning either the clean-up effort was shoehorning things into Hitodama Light and Will-o'-the-Wisp or those two were pretty much the only examples of Ghost Lights at the time the clean-up effort started. And I'd prefer to think it's the latter.

I'm sure other forms of ghost lights exist in media, but the current description of Ghost Lights seems to be a disambig page than a trope or index. That and the aforementioned lack of examples for this particular concept make me think it's better as an index with people putting other forms of ghost lights through TLP.

edited 17th Dec '17 8:11:06 AM by WaterBlap