Not Thriving: Angry White Man

Lots of problems here. Got a somewhat unclear name, it's only listed as a direct example on three pages, being potholed in two more, and not counting the indices. The page itself has no examples, and hasn't been touched in two years.

Of the three pages it's listed in, two are Zero Context Examples and the other pretty clearly falls under Faux Affably Evil.

The two potholed [[Film/Bamboozled examples are]] also Zero Context Examples which fail to provide context on what about the character is Angry White Man-ish.

Wow. Yeah, this page needs some serious help. Good find.

This is a political stereotype of the reactionary right-wing white character. It's used in fiction from time to time.

Based upon the history of Race Tropes, it seems like ~Hawkture Shorts 155 created it.

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There is a trope here, I think. Send to YKTTW for examples, perhaps?

This page came up in the YKTTW Crash Rescue a time ago along with other pages that editor created.

Suggestion: rename the trope to Anti-Progress Privileged, so it can be expanded to include all related types, including angry Christian fundamentalists, angry heteronormatives, angry patriarchists, etc.

Expanding the trope seems best to me, but "Reactionary of Privilege" would be better. This is precisely what the term "reactionary" was coined for (though with regards to hereditary class).

Reactionary Privileged would be even better then. The "of" is confusing.

Honestly, Angry White Man is the catchiest and most memorable. It's also the most common portrayal. The others might make good redirects, but they use terminology that people only recognise in social justice circles and will alienate the average troper.

I have never heard of these terms. Angry White Man (or Angry White Male or AWM) is the concept I know. Also, as far as I know it's not subdivided like @6 proposes.

I know accounts of reactionaries against every egalatarian cause of the last three centuries. The one difference is I see at stake here is whether they consider their privilege to be the right way of things, or if they genuinely believe they are being discriminated against. For the latter, whites suffering positive discrimination is likely the most common, but I've seen plenty of men's rights activists and Christians complain about others being given preference, whatever the facts. I don't think it worthwhile distinguishing between the two, because for one thing the extremists can flip-flop between the two from one sentence to the next.

For me, "Angry White Man" brings to mind the electoral phenomenon that Obama and Democrats in general have their lowest support in the male WASP demographic, combined with how polarised the States' politics are now. Not entirely unrelated, but distinct.

And "reactionary" means precisely someone who reacts against change and wishes to revert it.

Besides, if we limited it to whites there would the usual missing supertrope problem. We should either make a supertrope (I don't it worthwhile until examples become plentiful) or generalise it.

edited 1st Sep '14 8:37:24 AM by RJSavoy

My objection to using a name that includes "privileged" is that the anger is often not related to the privilege. Falling Down is an example, where the fact that he's white and male and therefore a member of a privileged class is pretty much irrelevant to the cause of his anger.

edited 1st Sep '14 8:45:53 AM by Madrugada

But is being white at all relevant there? (I guess being male shapes his family problems.) The problrm with the current title is that it will be used for anyone angry who fulfills the other criteria, regardless of whether they are connected, and that's not what the trope is.

White is certainly relevant to the stereotype this trope is about. Any superconcept would be its own trope.

Angry White Man is way too broad a name for this trope. Regardless of the technical terms for various social movements, there's lots of reasons for a white guy to be angry besides as a reaction to an egalitarian movement, and the trope name should reflect that.

Just reading the name, I thought it reflected 12 Angry Men-type white guys. Which has nothing to do with reactionary behaviour and everything to do with them being angry white men.

The description says it's someone motivated by other ethnicities being helped by the government. If there is a stereotype that others are thinking of, it's a separate trope. What traits and ideology are you thinking of beyond reactionary racism?

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If I were naming this trope from the start myself, I would probably name it Angry White Male rather than Angry White Man, since the former term is what everyone bandies about when talking about them as a political block.

I'm not sure it's worth a rename, or whether it would help the trope to thrive; but it's a slightly stronger pre-existing term, and avoids making the trope look like a snowclone of Angry Black Man. (People seeing the trope as a mirror of Angry Black Man is a potential problem — this trope is somewhat different in terms of what it means and how it's used.) Because it has clear political associations, Angry White Male also avoids the problem we sometimes get with Angry Black Man where any black dude with a hair trigger temper gets lumped into it.

edited 2nd Oct '14 5:03:17 PM by Aquillion

I too think Angry White Male is a more comman name for this idea, and I would be more likely to recognize it.

Angry White Male seems to be the standard term; in fact, the Other Wiki has it under that name: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_white_male]

Angry White Man is the name of a 2011 comedy movie. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1693106/]

edited 8th Oct '14 4:43:56 PM by Xtifr

I can't see any reason why we don't just cut this and send it to YKTTW. This trope needs to go through there any way you cut it.

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