Disney's Star vs. the Forces of Evil

By come back to eachother...you mean never leave eachother.

Alright. Caught the finale, and ummm, wow. I think it was pretty good overall, although the last bit was wierdly somewhat of a letdown (I can think of better solutions than what they came up with), although it does leave things open for new adventures. But yeah, farewell Star vs. the Forces of Evil, a series I thoroughly enjoyed from start to finish through its roller coaster of a story and central duo that I absolutely loved as characters.

Also, here's a compilation of the first and last appearances of some of the characters.◊ Star, Marco, and the rest have really come a long way, haven't they?

Yes, that was fine...even though it was already painfully cliche and the first and a half seasons they displayed a very good Platonic Life-Partners dynamic...something that really isn't there in the rest of the series btw! But for what they were doing, it was superb.

But it came at the cost of all the other characters given even remote Ship Tease (except for Tom).

Edited by terlwyth on May 19th 2019 at 8:57:25 AM

The only one who needed a say was Reynaldo. The other magic creatures support a bunch of psychi soldiers and met their end as a result of their own actions.

And the wand spells, who basically were forgotten. I didn't even enjoy their episodes, but it feels like they writers didn't remember them. Which makes their presumed demise jarring, and hurt the ending a bit for me.

Edited by SilentColossus on May 19th 2019 at 9:58:25 AM

I think the series would have benefitted from a couple extra episodes. I mean, unlike quite a few people in here apparently, I did enjoy the finale, but I do think we jumped to "Destroy the Magic" way too quickly. It would have been better if Star's disillusionment with magic came more naturally before Mina's attack. That way, the Solarian threat would be the last straw in her deciding to kill the Magic, after having weighted the consequences.

Instead, Star throws, as she herself calls it inside Glossaryck's eyeball, a "temper tantrum" against magic out of frustration, and her tapestry ends up proving her right. It's still a good finale, but I think it could have been much better with either more run time or more build up in previous episodes.

How? It's a completely Broken Aesop that effectively makes Star Not So Different from Solaria. Only instead of monsters, it's magic.

The only reason it isn't a complete trainwreck is precisely because of its open-ended nature,& it gave nods to most of the characters.

So does anyone else kinda get feeling that child show animators and storyboard writers for some reason love to use "Magic goes away" plot where magic is allegory or metaphor for something, and they never really think of implications of what happens if a law of reality stops existing?

By destroying the magic, Star is killing: Gloss (who accepts death), the MHC (who are overall terrible people), the unicorns (all are either corrupted or already dead) and the spells (mostly innocent or animalistic in nature. Sadly, Star has shown a disregard for her spells before). Not nearly on the scale of Solaria, especially since her intention is not to Kill Em All out of bigotry, but to destroy an energy source used as a tool of oppression, since it can't be naturally wielded by monsters.

It's not a clean ending, and yes, a few things are brushed off, especially where the non-MHC constructs are concerned, but I really don't see the Broken Aesop here.

Also bit illogical stuff like "So wait, Ponyhead flies through non magical means?"

Edited by SpookyMask on May 19th 2019 at 9:47:06 PM

If Eclipsas are a good example, most spells would accept dying in service to their Queen.

But I do feel Stars would be royally mad at her disregard for them.

...well, that was terrible.

Like the GoT finale, it feels like they didn't "earn" it (Star and Marco's reality-shattering romance started, what, five fifteen-minute episodes ago?), but at least there there are two volumes of a notoriously verbose book series to fall back on. Here, except the movie, that's all she wrote. Maybe it was for the best that magic went away, but that wasn't sold to us at all, except as a nuclear option in this petty local conflict (and even then barely at all), when by all indications a large part of the multiverse is intricately connected by magic. I thought for a second the episode was going to change course halfway through when Ponyhead said Kelly was crying, but nope, she's fine (not that either of them can ever know that, of course). Then over Star and Marco's fifteen-year-old hearts, again when they've been dating for about five fifteen-minute episodes, she smashes two worlds together, causing comical havoc on screen and most likely not-so-comical havoc everywhere else. Granted, brushing aside wanton destruction has been a bit of a Running Gag from the start, but we're supposed to take the resolution seriously and not that...?

Presumably, the movie is going to be essentially two hours of telling us not to worry about it... somehow.

And of course, she killed Spider-with-a-Top-Hat! Yasurenai zo!

Edited by TwinBird on May 20th 2019 at 6:45:41 AM

So does anyone else kinda get feeling that child show animators and storyboard writers for some reason love to use "Magic goes away" plot where magic is allegory or metaphor for something, and they never really think of implications of what happens if a law of reality stops existing?

I do, which is one of the many reason I absolutely despise that kind of ending.

By destroying the magic, Star is killing: Gloss (who accepts death), the MHC (who are overall terrible people), the unicorns (all are either corrupted or already dead) and the spells (mostly innocent or animalistic in nature. Sadly, Star has shown a disregard for her spells before). Not nearly on the scale of Solaria, especially since her intention is not to Kill ’Em All out of bigotry, but to destroy an energy source used as a tool of oppression, since it can't be naturally wielded by monsters.

How about all the people who were likely killed when all vital magic infrastructures suddenly cease to function, given magic has been shown to be basically the equivalent of electricity in this setting? Or the likely many other creatures to be made of magic that we didn't see onscreen? There's a lot of Fridge Horror involved.

Also bit illogical stuff like "So wait, Ponyhead flies through non magical means?"

Yeah, that still baffles me.

Edited by Theokal3 on May 20th 2019 at 3:54:48 PM

I’ll give the Inferred Holocaust some credit, usually in stories like this merging two worlds either causes the presence of magic on Earth leading to the presence of magic powered despots with armies of magic powered mecha or creates a planet that is likely to be destroyed and / or rendered uninhabitable. So...yay? The two lovebirds are together even if Best Girl is dead and candidates are going to run in 2020 on killing monsters.

Edited by Beatman1 on May 20th 2019 at 10:01:11 AM

The more I think about the finale the more I kind of dislike it. It's the fact that Star basically committed genocide and my distaste for magic goes away endings. It reeks of an EsotericHappyEnding.

Funny how the show made the point that who counts as a monster and who doesn't is completely arbitrary and illogical, and that mewmans clearly decided in the way that was convenient for them - i.e. decided than anyone who's rich and influential is not a monster, including pigeon people,flying horse heads and actual demons.

And now, they did similar thing with magic.

And its not that the Flying Horse Hesds or Demons aren't Monsters. They are, and Jushtin wanted to befriend all monsters. Those species in particular he got especially close to that it lasted generations.

But theyve so thoroughly believed their own lies they forgot this.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 20th 2019 at 7:40:19 AM

I can't believe Star killed her own Unicorn Daughter.

A previous episode did have a store owner mistake Tom for a monster for a few minutes.

All of this could have been avoided if Jushtin was on the throne instead of Solaria.

Someone said there wouldn't be a story if Jushtin had been crowned, but there are still multiple ways to make a story even if the racism was downplayed.

The one that comes to mind is Jushtin as Comet and his child and grandchild as Moon and Star.

Or the ascension of a racist Queen soon after Jushtin either leaves the throne leading to those hiding racist thoughts during the Jushtinian rule coming out of hiding.

It wouldn't be exactly what we got, but the story could still have been told.

How many stories have actually used the Magic goes away ending, all this talk about has confused this person.

Curious.

Looking though the page, beside Star Vs itself, we also have Demon Souls, Odin Sphere, and in more temporary cases some Precure installments.

Top of my head come two anime: Scrapped Princess and Record of Grancrest War. Though, in both of those cases, the magic was technology designed to keep the human race locked in Medieval Stasis, the former through "magical" angels handing out divine mandates to dictators and the latter by spawning monsters to hinder development. They were quite clearly bad things that only a handful of people profited from, while the general population suffered.

Of course, in the case of Star vs, there is some question as to what exactly is or isn't "magic". I mean, Ponyhead can still fly and live despite being a disembodied head. Dragoncycles are still a thing, as are giant spiders that would normally collapse under their own weight. Perhaps the physics of all these different dimensions allow for those kind of things, and "magic" really is only the special powers of the wand and those exposed to it. In which case, nothing of value was lost.

Edited by Kayeka on May 20th 2019 at 7:03:53 PM

I wouden't say it was "the wand" and more "Glosseryk" as the wand stemmed from him and the Magic High Commission and Reynaldo, also created by him, had also bought the farm.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on May 20th 2019 at 10:05:31 AM