Page Type Corrections

Since the creation of this tool (once again, I can't thank the administration enough for its creation), I've been taking a stab at correcting page types, and just completed the transition of several character pages from "sub-page" to "examples". As of now, there's more than a thousand Recap/ pages in "subpage" where they should be either in "examples" or "index".

I've been working at the same project, and so has Septimus Heap. Sometimes, however, I think we've been working at counter-purposes.

Here's the system as I have been able to figure the pages:

• redirect subtypes can show up on any namespace. If the redirect is old and has 10 or fewer inbounds, it can be cut.
• Work pages show up in the medium namespaces.
• Example sub-pages to the main work page are in the following namespaces:
  • Characters
  • Recap
  • namespaces named for the work page
• Sub-pages are pages in a namespace named for a trope, for example:
  • Crowning moment of Heartwarming
  • Ambiguously Gay
  • Ax Crazy
• Sub pages are also for things not directly related to objective tropes:
  • YMMV
  • Trivia
  • Quotes
  • Analysis
• Indexes: this is where you and I have undone each other's work: I've been approaching it as "only mediums and genre pages are indexes, everything else is type +index". I understand that "index+index" is the wrong way to program the pages, too. Something about the system misreading the instruction.

• Ghost Wicks: I think I've been undoing some of Sept's work here: I'm given to understand that they've been putting ghost wick pages into the contributor type. I stopped sending them to the cutlist when I learned that. Rather confused on what to do with them now.

In my mind "just for fun" is a problem page type, mainly because of its unclear scope - I do not agree with putting Drinking Game and stuff like Inspector Spacetime there, the latter mostly for tech reasons though.

As for "contributor" + Main/, that's the page type I use for all Main/ pages that are for ghost wicks; so as to make it easy to list and cutlist them. There are a lot of them and thus I haven't done them all in one batch.

I figure "Just For Fun" pages are little games that editors play, but neither should be crosswicked anywhere. Indexed or Wicked (referencing the page itself), but never used in trope example lists.

Does that mean I can go back to batch cutlisting the blank pages?

I really do feel that the Drinking Games fit because they don't really list tropes. It's more of a game really, even if they're subpages for works...

The Drinking Game trope can stay that way (since it's treated as a trope anyhow). Anything listed under JustForFun.Drinking Game, I say all are "fun".

edited 4th Apr '14 5:09:04 PM by EarlOfSandvich

Originally brought this up in this ATT thread

Concerning subpages in Main/, I think most of those aren’t actually subpages.

There have been a few pages under the List/ namespace that seems pretty deprecated (I’ve cleared out a lot of those pages, including pages with their own namespace (and there was also the relatively recent Weapons.Destiny page), especially since much of that sort of information could probably be better kept on Wikipedia or that particular work’s Wikia site. A majority of these pages are pure lists.

Six of these pages could use more appropriate page typing, two of them are archives, and one of them is a “ghost wick” from the Ptitle system.

Note that nearly all of the pages that include the word “list” were created by Dragon Quest Z (who hasn't been active in over a year).

• Pure lists (I think all of these could be cut):
  • Made by Dragon Quest Z
    • Angry Joe List
    • Benzaie List
    • Blistered Thumbs List
    • Brad Jones List
    • Chaos D 1 List
    • CR List
    • Doug Walker List
    • Inked Reality List
    • Jesu Otaku List
    • Jew Wario And Psychotaku List
    • Linkara And Iron Liz List
    • Nash List
    • Paw And P Ushing Up Roses List
    • Phelous List
    • Spoony One List
    • Team Nostalgia Chick List
    • TGWTG Lets Play List
    • That Dude In The Suede List
    • Todd In The Shadows List
  • Made by other tropers
    • RiffTrax Movies (made by Freezer)
    • The Blockbuster Buster List (made by Braniac0982)
• Tropes (or other pages) with “Subpage” page type
  • Queer as Tropes: Should be typed to “trope + does indexing”
  • Deviant Art Recommendations: Shouldn’t this be moved to FanficRecs.Deviant Art? Or at least some other namespace for Deviant Art.
  • Rule 34 – Creator Reactions: This seems like it’s just a Just for Fun page, honestly. If it is just trivia, then subpage seems like the appropriate place for it. That said, trivia pages right now are typically typed as “trope.”
  • Works Set in World War II: Should be typed to “trope + does indexing” as other setting tropes are typed to “trope” but this page also lists such works as an index.
• Pages typed as “index + does indexing” that show up as “subpage”
  • Australian Television Shows: Should be “trope + does indexing” like other genre tropes; I figure there’s a glitch with this page showing up on this list (like the Ptitle page below).
• Archives
  • Made Of Win Archive 2013 And 2014
  • Single Fandom Archives
• Ghost pages include:
  • Ptitlekzrxgx4f

There’s also a list of Console RPG Cliches that go from 1 to 192. IMO, I think these could be moved to a Console RPG Cliches/ namespace and be made subpages of The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Clichés.

Oh wow, that's a mess!

We don't muck with archives, but otherwise, yeah, I'd be in favor of cutting most of those, and doing something appropriate with the rest.

Alright. I add the lists to the cutlist, since that seems to be the most clear cut thing to do.

EDIT: There is also That Guy With The Glasses Index, which is typed correctly (as an index), but relates directly to these pages.

edited 13th May '17 8:02:02 AM by WaterBlap

Notable Fanfiction Archives, and the two sublists from there, are not protected by that rule. I'm not really sure why they're even here. We don't "index" pages that aren't on this wiki.

Fair enough. I'm not sure how we define "official" archives, but it makes sense that just putting "Archive" in the name of a page shouldn't be enough to magically protect it from future modification or deletion. Especially since the word appears in some work names...

So...how do I determine if a page is an official TVT archive which shouldn't be mucked with?

I think all official archives are locked when they're created, and I think they'll only have one edit in their history.

Bumping, because... hoo boy.

More than 3400 Creator/ pages that are page typed as "work" when it should be "creator or person". And that was after I changed some of these to their proper place. Is the automated system defaulting them to "work" or something?

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Mar 11th 2021 at 9:15:34 AM

The most thematically fitting thread.

Spell Construction has "Index" pagetype but has examples, is it a Trope or not?

Also, this ATT has a similar question.

It looks like a high level supertrope to me. I'd go with trope+index.

The post about Creator/ pages with Work pagetype that should be moved to Creator pagetype sounds interesting, since it's just two clicks maybe I'll waste my time on it because there are now about 5500 mistyped pages.

~GrafVonTirol I know it's been over a year, but just letting you know that you're question has been resolved.

Hollywood Psych has an Index pagetype but allows examples.

Heroic Spirit has an "index" pagetype despite being called a Super-Trope and having examples.

Is Fanservice a trope or an index?

From the looks of it, it's an index, even if it used to be treated as a trope.

It's a supertrope that indexes subtropes.

Why are Weapon-Based Characterization and Weapon Specialization labeled as "subpage"?

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 9th 2023 at 8:07:43 PM

That's because the pages were mod moved from sandboxes and those kinds of pages are automatically typed as "subpage". We must have forgotten to fix the page type so I'll do that now.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 9th 2023 at 1:16:05 PM

Body Snatcher is typed as disambig, but is indexing pages (and has been since 2017) and is on various trope indexes. There's no notice in the discussion page about TRS. Looking in the history, the line "If you come across a direct wick, please change it to one of these:" in the description was added in 2020.

The page dates back to 2008. Page type changes aren't recorded in a way that allows one to look back through changes to a specific page. It looks like it was an exampleless supertrope page (that was exampleless because of being a relic of old TVT) that unilaterally got turned into a disambig.

It should be a high level supertrope so I am good with switching the page type to trope and then seeing if there are any wicks that could go up on the page that don't fit the sub-tropes listed.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 16th 2023 at 6:43:14 AM