Custom Titles and First Installments of a Franchise

Aha, well if it's really a multi-media franchise (with at least three media), then sure, Franchise seems reasonable. And now that you mention it, I do remember hearing something about a movie once. So that's ok. But the Franchise page should cover (and index) all the works.

Coolios. :)

That's what I'm saying. I would use the "base" namespace for the "main" page.(not the actual Main Namespace, to clarify) Like Power Rangers in itself is a Live Action show, and I believe it should use Series. It does have spinoff Movies(as well as a Canon movie or two), some games, and an actual game that is a full spinoff(Power Rangers Legends).

I get what you mean, now. Instead of using Main/, you'd use their work page origination.

...It's really hard to say what I mean due to overlapping terms. -_-

Exactly. :)

I don't remember if it was in this thread or another, but I pointed out that for a lot of single-media series (especially in Literature/), we use a name like Namespace.SoAndSoSeries. Literature.Delirium Series or Literature.The Eschaton Series or even Literature.Vorkosigan Saga or Literature.Hyperion Cantos. I think that could be a good solution for a lot of these video game cases as well.

I do agree to keep the Main/ redirects until a problem occurs, though.

Anyway, my thought was that since some Franchises like Final Fantasy covers tons of various games and other media, the Main/ could be used as a redirect to Franchise, while Video Game would be a redirect to the first game only. Since it was named that.

But that's my vote.

Me Too!.

That's a pretty good setup.

Now, what about things like VideoGame.Paper Mario and VideoGame.Paper Mario 64?

Stay in Video Game namespace. If they already had a Main/ space before hand, it could be redirected to the VG namespace. Otherwise, no need to add it at this time.

Alrighty then. Are we ready to execute Irene's plan?

Should we have a Crowner for that? Not that I obviously don't want to do my own plan, but... I want to make sure the Wiki and Mods are okay with it.

Just state the plan clearly and do a roll call, thumbs up or thumbs down. Crowners are still off line.

Oh, right, dur. XD

Okay, the plan is this: Any Franchise/Series/Whatever, if they have a Main namespace, will have that Main redirected to the appropriate base Namespace.

Any first Games/Books/whatever(that does not already have a full title, to clarify), would be namespaced to say something akin to VideoGame.Super Mario Bros 1

Any game that has one game in the series.(for example, the original Mario Bros.) does not need the "1" put after. Some good examples where this could apply is the first Sonic The Hedgehog game, Super Mario Bros., Donkey Kong Country, etc.

Where, as, say the first Harry Potter book, would be Literature.Harry Potter And The Philosophers Stone

Slightly related, but would using a Slash for a namespace be the same as using a period for one? I'm not sure.

edited 3rd Apr '13 7:16:33 PM by Irene

Why would the first Harry Potter film redirect to the novel page when the films have their own pages?

Sorry, was rather tired(no full sleep for two days). I forget what the Movie namespace is.

I meant the book in Literature. Also, fixed. >_<

edited 3rd Apr '13 7:21:40 PM by Irene

Note: the Main/ page should only be redirected if it already exists. Otherwise, it should continue to not exist. Aside from that, I'm pretty good with the plan in the specific cases that have been discussed.

(Just want to make sure.)

Also, I don't think we need to rename things that are already using something like "The X series" for a coverall page.

Aside from that, this plan sounds mostly like what's already happening, except for a few glitchy cases.

edited 3rd Apr '13 8:24:45 PM by Xtifr

I already said the same thing with my first paragraph. No new Main/ pages for Works. If they already exist(as in the page already had a Main/ namespace before getting the proper one), we don't need to remove it. Thus, the redirect works. If a disambiguation is needed, the redirect can be removed and changed to that.

The renames were solely to note first games/books/whatever in series(catch-all term again, not being overally specific) that don't already have a subtitle. But making sure that they were all correctly namespaced was key.

Since some of the first installments of a game series have the year they were released in the page title (i.e. the first Crash Bandicoot is Crash Bandicoot (1996), and the first Ratchet & Clank is Ratchet & Clank (2002)), I think the first Sonic the Hedgehog should be given the page title Sonic the Hedgehog 1991, in order to clear up confusion with the 2006 game.

That might work too.

I think the reason we're avoiding that for a lot of others is that many games are designated by their exact number(game 1, 2, 3) more often than their year. Let's also note that there's a game called Street Fighter 2010, so it could cause more confusion than Street Fighter 1.

There seems to be less cases like the Sonic The Hedgehog confusion from what I noticed.

I'd prefer numeral designation, especially if a series used Numbered Sequels for its first few installments since that would be much easier for tropers to navigate around.

We should try to make sure that custom titles (if necessary) for such pages fully disambiguate the work that they are referring to.

That was my issue with VideoGame.Final Fantasy I, since its current custom title could refer to the series or the first game. Do you agree that we should just have its custom title reverted to "Final Fantasy I".

Yes.

I'll request for it to be reverted.

Now are we going to do things like move VideoGame.Super Mario Bros to VideoGame.Super Mario Bros 1?

You could do that, yes. I'm not certain it's necessary, but it might help in the case that tropers are confusing the franchise article for the game article.

It is the name of the movie, first game and franchise, notably.

Although Main/ could be used as a disambiguation.

The Franchise page should serve as the disambiguation, since all Super Mario Bros titles are part of it, right? The Main page redirects to the Franchise article, and we're all set.