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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
So, since Laconic.The Cavalry is:
Cavalry of the Dead should be that, but with "Undead / Ghostly" before it?
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Aside 1. the support having something personal against the enemy 2. lasting only one battle, which I doubt are common in examples, this is The Same, but More Specific, but that's for TRS.
Edited by Amonimus on Jul 20th 2023 at 10:00:00 PM
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Proposing a new version of Laconic.Cthulhumanoid:
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I think people can look up cephalopod if they don't know what it means?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 22nd 2023 at 10:09:03 AM
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the Retromancer
I'd think the point is explaining stuff without the need to look anything up
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In any case I think "face full of tentacles" might work as better descriptor as the important design feature. They don't all resemble octopi
"A monstrous humanoid with a face full of tentacles."
Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 22nd 2023 at 2:39:10 PM
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the Retromancer
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Laconic.Childhood Friend Romance has additional laconics for the defunct subtropes of the "victorious" and "unlucky" childhood friend. Are these necessary?
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the Retromancer
Of course not
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Is this edit
to Laconic.The Hero Doesnt Kill The Villainess actually any clearer, or is it just using more words to say the same thing?
Yet description makes it sound like it needs to be a Mysterious death?
I have vampires planned to be killed by being on an airship, for instance. Not mysterious. Planned attack.
Edited by Malady on Jul 26th 2023 at 8:36:46 AM
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Does anyone have a better laconic for Zapped! (1982) than "Carrie as a Sex Comedy" or should we just discard what's currently on Laconic.Zapped entirely?
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Probably easy to rewrite it as "Sex Comedy about a teenage boy who gets telekinetic powers."
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Laconic.My New Gift Is Lame is too specific. The character just has to be disappointed about their gift.
Maybe "A character is disappointed by a lame gift they received."?
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The current laconic for Contrasting Sequel Antagonist is too broad. How is this?
Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Jul 31st 2023 at 8:54:28 AM
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
It looks like the trope does require a confrontation with the gift-giver over the disappointment and the gift will turn out to have some hidden value to it (be it plot-significant, sentimental, wisdom-based, etc). The current trope description seems to have decayed the intention of the trope a bit.
Looks good to me.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 30th 2023 at 11:04:35 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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I guess that means a future trip to the TRS then.
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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 30th 2023 at 6:17:00 AM
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the Retromancer
Laconic.Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle only makes sense after knowing both works.
Mind my take?
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Looks good to me
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Proposing new version of Laconic.Soldier Vs Warrior:
I'm not sure that fully captures it. How about this addition?
I'm not sure that quite captures it either.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 5th 2023 at 12:20:08 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
That describes the idea of the trope but I think it's a bit long for a laconic.
I don't think the trope is limited to a final battle. It's simply The Cavalry, consisting of dead allies. It's not necessarily an ending of the story, but at least a resolution of a major plot.
The universe is under no obligation to make sense to us.