Sexism

From what I'm seeing, Depp is largely if not entirely the one at fault in the relationship.

I've been following the case pretty closely and I don't agree with tou at all, but that's just my personal opinion.

Yeah bassd on what I’ve heard saying it’s entirely his fault sounds very victim-blamey. Though admittedly I’m more or less intentionally avoiding these proceedings.

Edited by LSBK on May 23rd 2022 at 5:27:15 AM

Having seen the trial on hand, Its the oppostie.

Amber Heard has never been able to bring up proof that Johnny ever abused her, while Johnny has given out tons of evidence about Ambers abuse, and this week, Kate Moss is a witness.

IE, one of the various Ex's that went to bat for Johnny on how he never abused them at all, and the only person he ever abused was himself.

Also Keep in mind that Amber Heard fired her old PR team and bought a new one.

Hell, Resetera, RESETERA, of all places, is against Amber Heard on this.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on May 23rd 2022 at 6:48:53 AM

Please explain to me why that forum's alleged antipathy towards Heard is so noteworthy.

To be fair, I have seen a lot of self-professed DA survivors (women included) comment on YouTube that they thought Amber heard was doing a disservice to DA survivors (the women in particular worrying about other women being taken seriously) by allegedly fabricating the allegations (from their perspective) .

Now, I will concede, if Heard deliberately fabricated the allegations, that is certainly an act of bad faith on her part, and these women are not wrong to worry that certain others may not take other domestic abuse allegations seriously.

However, I still think that people are too invested in the trial.

I mean, we had people all but vandalize Heard's page before it was locked.

Celebrities may be people, but they can often be toxic people, and I'm too fucking used to celebrities treating others as subhuman to get as worked up about some celeb's shitty behaviour as I do about full fledged sexual predators.

Oh. I see.

Edited by SkyCat32 on May 23rd 2022 at 7:19:40 AM

Reset Era was infamous for Banning anyone who said to "wait for the facts and see if Johnny actually abused Amber" ad nausem.

There's a thread where they are actually watching the trial live itself. Aside from Drivebys, basically everyone believes in Johnny and that Amber is a liar. They are also severely dissapointe din many Breadtubers like Contrapoints using the Uk trail as Proof that Johnny was a wifebeater...Dispite the fact that the trial accepted all of Amber's hearsay she's been using in this trial without question, as well as the Judge being a freind of The Sun, the magazine Johnny sued, which happens to be in Rupert Murdoch's pocket, unlike the current trial right now.

And yes, I've primarily seen Domestic abuse survivors coming in favor of Johnny here and disparaging Amber Heard, and think this trial will actually help Male abuse survivors.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on May 23rd 2022 at 7:21:15 AM

TBH, I think regardless of the truth of the matter, the sensationalism is vile.

It's a trial, not a football match. At best this is a mutually abusive relationship where the courts and press are being wielded like blunt instruments. At worst, it's an abuser dragging their victim through the mud and inviting a public to help.

There was no Mutual abuse. Amber heard was never able to show any actual proof Johnny did anything to her.

While I can grudgingly admit to finding humor in some of the memes, I agree with Bisected that this trial could do without the sensationalism.

Depp previously sued Head in a UK court and lost.

It's incredibly hard to lose as a plaintiff in a libel case in the UK (the onus is on the defendant to prove what they said is true), which suggests that there was some compelling evidence that he'd done something.

I really wish the recent events with former "non-problematic fav" John Mulaney would make people realise that celebrities are not their public personas.

Edited by Bisected8 on May 23rd 2022 at 12:35:11 PM

I feel the need to point out that this is hardly unique to celebrities, and this take comes off as at best, naive, at worst, horribly callous.

Edited by LSBK on May 23rd 2022 at 6:39:58 AM

I will concede that you don't have to be a celeb to be a schmuck, but the more money and power you have, the less inhibitions there are towards treating others as inferior.

Lemme rephrase what was said in the quoteblock; it's hard to remember that they are real people when they behave so entitled.

There's something about fame and success which make people like Harvey Weinstein and Zoe Laverne think that they can get away with anything.

Fair enough. All I am saying is they are not behaving in a way humans should behave.

Edited by SkyCat32 on May 23rd 2022 at 7:47:52 AM

That is true, but that's distinct from something uniquely awful about celebrities as people. That's something about human beings, in general.

My point is going "It's hard for to think of this person as a person" should never not be an eye-raising statement.

@Bisected: Once again, the UK Court trial's judge was Friends with The Sun, and was not at all impartial in the case there, unlike the judge in Virginia has been.

Many have called it out as the Sham trial as it was.

How would you know? Trials in the UK aren't televised like they have been in the USA.

No playing to the camera in the stand, no media circus. Just a room full of grumpy officials, and a sketch artist.

As has been said above somewhere, abuse victims who believe Depp find this important, especially male voctims of abuse.

The post in question.

I also said people were being too invested in the fallout of a toxic celebrity marriage, didn't I?

Many more abuse victims, both men and women, have been scared from coming forward because of the media circus (regardless of who's in the right here, who'd risk being the next Heard?).

I've said it already, but I'll say it again: This level of sensationalism around the trial is bad for the trial itself, it's bad for society's treatment of abuse victims, and it's bad for the people it's infesting with brain worms.

Ah sorry, I'm at work so it's hard to read back over stuff.

No worries, Mur. I just wanted to clarify that female DA survivors were included in that demographic.

Depp vs. Heard is falling into the trap that most big celeb scandals fall into: they're human beings being treated like fictional characters.

It doesn't matter that she has a documented history of violence, and has been caught lying multiple times while producing no real evidence, and admitted her abuse of him, the weak woman triumphing over the violent man narrative is so much more juicy and iconic! It doesn't matter that people say the UK trial was demonstrably one-sided, people like the narrative of the UK being better than the US, and who wants to have to read the prequel to enjoy the real thing, so just trust it's 100% right.

At the same time, Depp is not the perfect victim. He's older and richer and has a history of substance abuse. Because of that, no matter the gender or national politics it's easy to root against him as the Opposing Sports Team. I think that's why so many victims of both genders, who aren't perfect themselves, support him so strongly. But that means nothing either way, really.

But at the end of the day, it is a deeply flawed woman and man who are in the spotlight for toxicity and violence. I, as you can probably tell, judge by what I've seen and heard that Heard is the worse of the two, but at the end of the day I still feel guilty for thinking that despite how "official" all of the legal media we see them in are. They're a real human man and real human woman whose lives are being treated like a trashy reality show. I wouldn't trust that woman any more than I would trust Jeffrey Dahmer, but even then all of the terrible things that she allegedly did to her partner are now the stuff of jokes and memes, and that feels icky.

That I do agree with, that making people into fictional characters is gross.

I don't object to the case being filmed and publicly available, because honestly I think all court proceedings should be watchable by the public, so corruption can't be hidden so easily.

But how to do that without making things into an absolute circus, I don't know.

Now, I will admit, some of the memes made me laugh, but I agree that they are ultimately in poor taste.

Edited by SkyCat32 on May 23rd 2022 at 9:43:45 AM

I just want the media to shut up about the damn trial until it concludes. For the love of god, there are more important things to talk about. Trump is calling for a civil war, and it's just a mini headline under Depp and Heard stuff.

You can't unless the court proceedings are boring as shit.