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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#8426: Oct 30th 2018 at 11:03:43 PM

It's somehow even worse that she wasn't his intended victim. He didn't even respect her enough as a person for that. To him she was just a prop.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Imca (Veteran)
#8427: Oct 30th 2018 at 11:42:11 PM

I dont even understand the point.... just disgusted. :/

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#8428: Oct 31st 2018 at 12:08:02 AM

[up]It was a mean-spirited immature prank by someone who didn't even respect his victim enough to make her his target.

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#8429: Oct 31st 2018 at 6:16:24 AM

This isn't the sort of person you'd want to trust to diagnose a cold, let alone stare at your privates.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#8430: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:56:34 AM

Irish Women Protest Use of Teen's 'Lacy Thong' as Evidence of Consent in Rape Trial.

Last week in Cork, Ireland, a 27-year-old man was found not guilty of raping a 17-year-old girl, as reported by the Irish Examiner. In the defense’s closing argument, his lawyer asked the jury to consider the teenage girl’s underwear. “You have to look at the way she was dressed,” the defense lawyer said. She added that the alleged victim was “wearing a thong with a lace front.”

The man contended that the two had consensual sex; his lawyer used her “lace” thong as evidence that the teen was “attracted to the defendant and was open to meeting someone and being with someone.” The prosecution argued that the plaintiff was “quite clear she did not consent. She said she never had sexual intercourse before.” After an hour and a half of deliberation, the jury sided with the defendant.

In response, men and women gathered in the streets of Cork on Wednesday to protest the idea that consent can be read into clothing, many holding signs with thongs or underwear hanging on them.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 15th 2018 at 4:56:57 AM

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#8431: Nov 15th 2018 at 5:23:47 AM

A lacy thong is proof of nothing. Mind you, it could explain somebody twitching on the spot with both camel toe and laggy lurg because of self-prescribed retail therapy to try to cure self-esteem issues.

And, that's it.

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#8432: Nov 15th 2018 at 5:24:30 AM

What the actual fuck, Ireland.

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#8433: Nov 15th 2018 at 5:29:12 AM

Disturbing considering that she could of just been wearing the thong for comfort or confidence. Or hell it could of been loaned to her by someone else after she ran out of undergarments.

There is so many innocent explanations for this but nah we gotta go with the victim blaming bullshit and let a rapist and budding pedo go free. God forbid women choose what they wear.

The dude is fucking 10 years older than her and shes a minor. How does that not scream rapist and pedophile?

Edited by Wispy on Nov 15th 2018 at 5:33:07 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#8434: Nov 15th 2018 at 7:01:23 AM

Shit like this is why women don't report rape and sexual assault more often. Because they get judged for shit like what kind of underwear they are wearing.

FFS, "look at the way she was dressed" was considered a bullshit excuse decades ago...and it still somehow works sometimes.

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2018 at 11:02:29 PM

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#8436: Nov 15th 2018 at 7:34:42 AM

Everybody's favourite homophobic, misogynist, transmisogynist doctor's back, and this time he's talking about anime to sound relevent.

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#8437: Nov 15th 2018 at 9:16:15 AM

Oh, is Rui, who is really cute. There valid complains about how Rui is sexualized, but let's not deny it, Rui is cute.

Joking Mode off. Rui is a dude who likes crossdress, not a transexual (this is...hard. Rui seems to not care about gender, but Word of God called Rui a He). But those guys never notice the difference.

. I wonder how many memes were born thanks to this guy. Another typical Moral Panic Transphobe who don't know the difference between a Wholesome Crossdresser and Transexuals (Anime really don't have trans people, crossdressers yeah, but trans are werid)

Edited by KazuyaProta on Nov 15th 2018 at 12:25:22 PM

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#8438: Nov 15th 2018 at 9:37:38 AM

Sadly he isn't "just another" transphobe.

He basically influenced the US (and by extension, the world) psychiatric community's attitude to transgender people for most of the 20th century (and a fair bit of the 21st) with his theory of "autogynophilia" (which basically boils down to "trans women are gay men and trans women who aren't exclusively attracted to memen just have a weird fetish (because lesbians? No such thing!); there's no such thing as trans men or NB[s=]!".

Thanks to him, no trans person who didn't act like a 50's stereotype of their gender could get treatment, and were often forced to undergo conversion therapy until very recently.

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#8439: Nov 15th 2018 at 9:50:15 AM

I mean in terms of personality. Dude is a basically a living series of tropes, blaming anime of all things?

And yeah, dude is a asshole that should be ignored.

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#8440: Nov 15th 2018 at 11:17:17 AM

Dude's actually saying that anime makes people trans.

You'd think more Alt-Righters would be trans then.

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#8442: Nov 15th 2018 at 12:23:22 PM

Re Ireland case: Sometimes I wonder where these excuses come from.

Incidentally, ~Wispy, the age of consent in Ireland is 17 and that's on the high end for Europe and the western world.

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#8443: Nov 15th 2018 at 7:07:38 PM

[up][up]Alt-righters are actually in to a whole lot of animes with traps, which is just a more offensive way of saying transgenders.

[up]Ugh, the age difference is still very suspect though.

Imca (Veteran)
#8444: Nov 15th 2018 at 7:34:30 PM

Not transgender, cross dresser, a bit of a difference in that they don't identify as the other sex.

Trans is a whole other thing in Japanese media that normaly sticks to live action.

Edited by Imca on Nov 15th 2018 at 7:35:29 AM

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#8445: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:24:14 PM

Only actual Transexual in manganime that I know is Kiyoharu from Mahou Shoujo Site. I know because I was in the Edit War that followed.

[up] I wouldn't call it a "bit" of a difference.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Nov 15th 2018 at 11:26:29 AM

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#8446: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:50:22 PM

"Trap" is slung around a lot in alt-right and right-leaning anime forums, and it's definitely a slur. Especially since it comes from the transphobic notion that transwomen are just gay men seeking to entrap and rape god-fearing straight men.

It's been fun.
Imca (Veteran)
#8447: Nov 15th 2018 at 9:33:48 PM

Except the characters it is used for are NOT trans.

Ones like Astolfo are 100% self identifying as cis, they just cross dress.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#8448: Nov 15th 2018 at 9:56:09 PM

Right, but the people using the slur don't recognize a difference. To them, transwomen are confused or malicious gay men.

The core meaning of the slur always was, and still is, "gay men who dress like women to trap real men". Why do you think there's such a strong push of the "it's not gay if it's a trap" mentality? Homophobia and disgust of transwomen have always been closely tied together.

Edited by RedSavant on Nov 15th 2018 at 12:56:47 PM

It's been fun.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#8449: Nov 19th 2018 at 4:32:20 AM

It’s international Men’s day today, a day to raise awareness about the mental health issues surrounding men, and the toxic attitudes and stereotypes that prevent them from getting help.

It’s also intersectional with race, as Black Males are even less likely to seek help.

Edited by megaeliz on Nov 19th 2018 at 8:01:37 AM

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#8450: Nov 19th 2018 at 4:53:10 AM

I think the point that's being made is that while they aren't trans characters in the source material, they're being treated as such in the "traps" meme, Immy.

Also, a quick PSA, since it happened a few times in the last few pages:

  • The word transgender is an adjective. It's rude to use it as a noun (i.e. call someone "a transgender"); not unlike it being rude to talk about "the gays".
  • Trans is an abbreviation of transgender and the same grammatical rules apply.
  • It's "transgender [man/woman/person/etc]", with a space (e.g. trans woman, transgender man, trans people, etc). This is somewhat important since there are groups that try to say that transgender men and women "aren't really men/women" by treating it as one word.
  • There's no such thing as "transgenderism" (the state of being trans isn't an illness or a philosophy, ta), and someone cannot be "transgendered" (as transgender is already an adjective, this is a hypercorrection).
  • The antonym of "transgender" is "cisgender" (cis- being the opposite prefix of trans-).
  • "Transsexual" is old fashioned, heavily medicalised and can be considered rude to use (not unlike calling a gay person a "homosexual").

Edited by Bisected8 on Nov 19th 2018 at 12:54:13 PM

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