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Jimmmyman10 cannot into space from polan Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
cannot into space
#1: Apr 22nd 2012 at 5:56:00 PM

There are a number of things wrong with this page, including the lack of a description, the copious amounts of complaining, the fact that's it's more like a footnote (containing few actual examples), the copious amounts of complaining, the huge numbers of real life examples, the bad layout of the page, and the copious amounts of complaining.

It to be at least cleaned up, if not completely redone.

Go play Kentucky Route Zero. Now.
Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil Since: Dec, 2011
#2: Apr 22nd 2012 at 6:51:59 PM

So you're saying there are copious amounts of complaining?

Which of these Acceptable Targets tropes did relatively recently have a TRS?

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
petrie911 Since: Aug, 2009
#3: Apr 22nd 2012 at 8:46:53 PM

I believe Cultural was the most recent. They all end up here in the end, though.

Belief or disbelief rests with you.
animeg3282 Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Apr 22nd 2012 at 8:50:31 PM

Maybe the real life should be excised.

Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#5: Apr 23rd 2012 at 5:02:28 AM

Almost all of this is whining about Real Life, not documenting tropes in the media. Burn it. If someone thinks they can make an actual trope about specific stereotypes or character types used in media then let them.

Not to mention, some of it is really odd, or is already covered by other tropes.

Since when was there bigotry against men with cats?

Rail Enthusiast is already its own page. Why does it need to here?

Fan Girls is its own page. Why do we need several bullet points of natter here?

Girl-Show Ghetto is its own page. Why cover it here?

Cosplay is its own page.

Indexed and Nerdy is an entire index worth of geek related tropes.

edited 23rd Apr '12 5:03:03 AM by Catbert

GingerSnaps Tired forever. Since: Mar, 2011
Tired forever.
#6: Apr 23rd 2012 at 5:37:31 AM

Wow, this one's pretty bad, half of the categories don't even have examples beyond "yeah this happens" and the few examples that are listed just seem to be people in that category complaining about the trope (there's even a note saying, "expect the below examples to be... passionate. And angry." which goes completely against How To Write An Example) not to mention the the important categories already have their own pages.

How did this get through YKTTW? I say cut it.

What is this "sleep" you speak of?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#7: Apr 23rd 2012 at 5:38:53 AM

[up]You need a better idea than cutting when it has 72 inbounds.

Turn into index, redirect, such things.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
GingerSnaps Tired forever. Since: Mar, 2011
Tired forever.
#8: Apr 23rd 2012 at 5:45:22 AM

Fine, if it can't be cut then I support what Catbert and animeg 3282 suggested.

What is this "sleep" you speak of?
Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#9: Apr 23rd 2012 at 6:20:36 AM

This page is just bitching about bitching. It's bad enough when contributors rant about how the media mocks them. This page is contributors ranting about how people on the street mock them. It's totally irrelevant to what we should be doing here.

If prejudices against an occupation form a trend in fiction, like Everybody Hates Mimes, then make a trope page for it. Otherwise... it has no place here.

Let's direct this to Acceptable Targets as a temporary solution, until we "fix" all the pages on that index.

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil Since: Dec, 2011
#10: Apr 23rd 2012 at 8:47:08 AM

Either an index for actual tropable stereotypes, or redirect to the more general one.

I'm kind of leaning towards the first, as that at least keeps some kind of list of what's actually there and legit.

edited 23rd Apr '12 8:47:58 AM by Feather7603

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#11: Apr 23rd 2012 at 8:49:19 AM

Support index idea. This could be used as a supertrope here.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#12: Apr 23rd 2012 at 9:00:59 AM

Wait, since when is 72 inbounds enough to prevent a page from being cut? I thought the threshold was substantially higher than that.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#13: Apr 23rd 2012 at 9:02:05 AM

The threshold is 10.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#14: Apr 23rd 2012 at 9:06:08 AM

The limit is 10, unless the page name is nonsalvageable - which it isn't in this case.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#15: May 6th 2012 at 4:05:05 AM

Crownering thread.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#16: May 16th 2012 at 12:51:01 PM

Calling crowner. The top three options have consensus and should be implemented. The splitting option is secondary, but should be implemented if someone is willing to do it.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#17: May 16th 2012 at 2:04:33 PM

I started the conversion and made Sandbox.Acceptable Hobby Targets for the sorting of the remaining Acceptable Hobby Targets.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#18: Jun 20th 2012 at 6:03:52 AM

Any progress here?

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#19: Jun 20th 2012 at 6:37:21 AM

Before anything else, I want to know if we should keep the single descriptions here, or if this is going to be a bare-bones index.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#20: Jun 20th 2012 at 7:02:50 AM

It it becomes a bare-bones index, why not just merge it with Acceptable Targets?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#21: Jun 20th 2012 at 7:10:22 AM

[up]Acceptable Targets is an index of the various "Acceptable X Targets" Audience Reactions. It ain't an index of specific forms, behind the general topic.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#22: Jun 20th 2012 at 7:16:49 AM

None of the others seem to be a bare-bones index, though.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#23: Jun 20th 2012 at 7:20:39 AM

None of these are indexes either

[down]Was thinking of too many things at once.

edited 20th Jun '12 7:26:53 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#25: Aug 3rd 2012 at 3:01:28 AM

I have added the last items to the index. If nobody wants to take the examples on Sandbox.Acceptable Hobby Targets to YKTTW, I'll cut the examples from the main page and request closure.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

6th May '12 3:58:39 AM

Crown Description:

What would be the best way to fix the page?

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