Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
"In distress", my ass.
Added Loser Son of Loser Dad. Calling RL people losers isn't really any better than calling them evil or jerkasses.
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Also added Magi Babble. There's no Functional Magic in RL, on which the trope's existence relies.
edited 19th Nov '12 2:01:07 AM by Nohbody
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You know, after all this time, I can't remember which tropes have passed through the crowner and, of those, which have been voted to leave alone. If I remember well, there was a page where those tropes were listed. Maybe Lu should put a link to that list at the beginning of the thread for ease of access. <.<
"Suffer a vicious person and you will fear vice. Suffer a virtuous one and you will soon loathe virtue itself." Tony Duvert
Calling the Sorting Algorithm of Deadness. Cutlisting the RL subpage.
I now go by Graf von Tirol.
"In distress", my ass.
Calling:
- Loser Son of Loser Dad - Added 19th Nov '12 at 01:44:47 AM, 15:0 (15)
- Magi Babble - Added 19th Nov '12 at 02:01:31 AM, 15:1 (16)
Time to replace the crowner?
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
"In distress", my ass.
With 21 entries (3 zapped), if it's not time to change it out yet it's getting close to that time, I'd say.
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"In distress", my ass.
If there's not going to be a new crowner yet, Sanity Has Advantages looks like NRLEP fodder to me. Do we really need to be discussing the sanity (or lack thereof) of real people?
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Likewise Shattered Sanity
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(Haven't added it them to the current crowner yet.)
edited 27th Nov '12 6:02:16 PM by Nohbody
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Sanity Has Advantages in real life should be obvious. Listing examples is pointless. The amount of natter also tips the scales towards the chainsaw.
I'm not sure what Shattered Sanity is about? Is it about literal glass?
"In distress", my ass.
^ Breaking a pane of glass (often in a mirror) being symbolic of the person who broke it being or going insane.
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No, the other one.
I frequently find that in these Real Life sections brought up here, whether they should actually be purged or not, there are lots of shoehorned examples, and as such they're prime bonfire material. Like the big one in Sanity Has Advantages.
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Even Evil Has Loved Ones has a real life section - reasonably harmless at this point, but still not a good idea.
^The first example is a general Zero Context Example. The third statement looks subjective to me - to my understanding, opinions on Temujin's actions are very country-specific.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"In distress", my ass.
^ Even without those issues, it's still an "evil" trope, and TVT policy is that RL people don't get called evil.
[edit] And still no decision on whether or not there's going to be a new crowner yet or not.
edited 28th Nov '12 9:08:50 AM by Nohbody
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Sanity Slippage is another one that needs to get its real life examples chopped.
And the new crowner's here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/RealLifeExamples?open=all#eq5af4ur
edited 28th Nov '12 12:22:25 PM by ArcadesSabboth
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Why?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Sorry — it's a trope discussing "this person is going crazy — look you can see Tom Cruise or whoever slowly going nuts as you watch his career — it's like a trainwreck in slow motion!"
I don't think it's OK for this wiki to host gossip and speculation about something as personal as mental illness.
edited 28th Nov '12 12:25:03 PM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
No, the other one.
I'm going to have to agree with that. Claiming real people are insane when their medical records aren't known is just gossip, and off-mission for us. Also, it's tacky.
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Due to the very public nature of the outbursts we've been seeing as well as people admitting to spending time in rehab, I don't think insanity itself should be off-limits to RL examples.
^ Breaking a pane of glass (often in a mirror) being symbolic of the person who broke it being or going insane.
So the only example is Square Peg Round Trope?
edited 28th Nov '12 3:49:34 PM by reub2000
Only having non-examples is not a reason to nominate a trope for NRLEP unless having actual examples is impossible, like Magic and Powers tropes.
edited 28th Nov '12 4:12:53 PM by videogmer314
"In distress", my ass.
^ No, but the part about gossiping about RL people and their (possible) mental condition is NRLEP bait.
Anyway, hollered for the new crowner to be hooked.
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No mental disorders are being diagnosed here. Just generic insanity.
"In distress", my ass.
Insanity is a mental condition, and one that it isn't TVT's job to diagnose in RL people. Signing up for an account doesn't come with a psychiatric license.
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Some people choose to publicly discuss mental health issues or rehab. Some people do not publicly disclose whatever issues they are having. Or just aren't having any. It is completely unfair to gossip and talk about such very personal things, especially considering the huge social stigma mental illness and insanity of every kind has. It's also unfair to spread rumors or disclose confidential information that you do know if that person hasn't publicly disclosed it themselves.
And I don't imagine we can put a sign saying "Only discuss the insanity of real people if they've publicly admitted to being insane, or were found insane by a court of law." and expect the editors to respect that.
Seriously.
T Vtropes is not a papparazzi tabloid, nor does insanity of real people have boo to do with the site mission. If a creator/author/director has publicly disclosed a mental condition and it had a noticeable effect on their works, then it can be discussed under the heading of their works.
And yes, mental illnesses are the actual medical conditions that people call "insanity." They're the same thing.
edited 28th Nov '12 8:50:43 PM by ArcadesSabboth
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Calling The Constant - Added 15th Nov '12 at 08:44 AM, 14:1 (15)
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