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Mar 28th 2012 at 6:12:39 PM

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edited 23rd Jul '17 2:08:53 PM by Jicragg

troacctid "." from California
Mar 28th 2012 at 6:21:55 PM

Fan Webcomics should just go in Webcomic. There's not really any advantage to splitting them. I don't see any advantage in a Fan Video namespace either. Abridged Series, maybe, since it's a pretty distinctive type of production.

What is a Fan Game? I don't know what that means. Lots of games are made by fans. What makes them different from any other web game that they need a separate namespace? Just put them in Videogame.

edited 28th Mar '12 6:24:20 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Mar 28th 2012 at 6:34:46 PM

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edited 23rd Jul '17 2:08:47 PM by Jicragg

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
Mar 28th 2012 at 6:40:48 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with the Fan Work namespace. Fan games could use their own namespace, but I'm not sure about it. And in my opinion fan webcomics should just go into the Webcomic namespace, drawing a line between the comics that just have characters from X series and the ones that are almost fanfic like would be more trouble than its worth.

edited 28th Mar '12 6:42:38 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Nocturna Seeking for Light
Seeking for Light
Mar 28th 2012 at 6:45:59 PM

Also supporting at least a FanWork/ namespace. (I don't really care if it's split further.)

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Mar 28th 2012 at 7:55:38 PM

I thought we already had such a namespace.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
Mar 28th 2012 at 8:38:58 PM "Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
troacctid "." from California
Mar 28th 2012 at 11:59:50 PM

Don't see the point of the distinction between fan games and "regular" games. They're just video games that happen to be made by fans. Giving them a separate namespace sounds to me like we're saying they don't count as the real thing.

They already have a namespace (it's VideoGame/) and I don't think anyone is confused about it. Is there any reason why they shouldn't just go there?

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Mar 29th 2012 at 3:52:34 AM

The only separation I'd do for fan games would be to split mods from completed games since a mod requires a core game that you need first.

Fight smart, not fair.
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Mar 29th 2012 at 5:16:32 AM

A Fan Game is a game that is a sequel, prequel, gaiden game, remake, or adaptation of an existing commercial game IP made by someone other than the owner of the IP. Not "a game made by fans."

The reason for splitting would be the same reason for splitting fanfic from literature - people who make video games tend to look down on them the same way people look down on fanfic. That, and it would be consistent.

edited 29th Mar '12 6:01:52 AM by ccoa

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
Mar 29th 2012 at 5:58:32 AM

[up] That's a good point, but what about fanmade games of non-videogame IPs?

On another topic, if this does pass, should we change any fanfic subpage in tropes with indexes to fan works? Several tropes have the fan work examples (including fanfics) in a fan work subpage. In my opinion it would be better to have them on the same cathegory on the examples instead of scattering them all over the place.

edited 29th Mar '12 5:58:45 AM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Mar 29th 2012 at 6:00:42 AM

You're right, that definition was too narrow. Fixing.

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SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
Mar 29th 2012 at 9:15:03 AM

[up] ...I thought that examples of fanfic now went into the medium/genre folder in trope pages, as in, Literature, etc... because we don't split anymore - they are the same when it comes down to tropes. Indexing of fanworks still exists, but that's another matter.

Or I can be 50% wrong.

Fanfic Recs orwellianretcon'd: cutlocked for committee or for Google?
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Mar 29th 2012 at 9:22:52 AM

If that's changed, this is the first I heard of it. Not that that would surprise me, because keeping up to date on everything around here is nigh impossible.

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Mar 29th 2012 at 9:35:37 AM

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edited 23rd Jul '17 2:08:26 PM by Jicragg

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Mar 29th 2012 at 10:14:02 AM

How so? I'm a fan of a lot of games, but that doesn't make any game I make a fangame, even if it's inspired by said games, unless I'm actually using their IP.

edited 29th Mar '12 10:14:38 AM by ccoa

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Mar 29th 2012 at 10:38:18 AM

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edited 23rd Jul '17 2:07:43 PM by Jicragg

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Mar 31st 2012 at 6:15:14 AM

To my knowledge, the only works we don't separate the Fan Work variant out is Web Comic, purely due to the amount of mess it would make trying to figure out which ones count.

Fight smart, not fair.
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Mar 31st 2012 at 7:21:59 AM

Personally, I'd prefer if we didn't sort out fanworks, but people get all huffy about fanfiction sharing the stage with "real" literature.

If we're doing it with one, it makes sense to be consistent.

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SeptimusHeap Farewell, NEOWISE from Southern Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Farewell, NEOWISE
Mar 31st 2012 at 7:28:18 AM

I strongly disagree with the idea of namespacing Fan Works separately from main works - the idea in this thread sounds much better.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
Mar 31st 2012 at 7:30:26 AM

[up][up] I don't see why we shouldn't sort out fanfiction (or fan works in general) from the rest of the works. I don't see the objective as separating them for not being "real" literature (position which I find stupid by the way), but as helping to sort them out from actual canon material (and besides, like it or not Sturgeon's Law is very strong on fanfiction).

edited 31st Mar '12 7:36:15 AM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Mar 31st 2012 at 8:04:07 AM

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edited 23rd Jul '17 1:51:32 PM by Jicragg

Apr 15th 2013 at 7:29:25 PM

Agree with Deboss' idea to add a Game Mod namespace.

videogmer314 from that one place Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Apr 15th 2013 at 10:36:22 PM

By the way, we already have a FanWorks/ namespace for indexing fan work pages. FanWorks.Sonic The Hedgehog is one example.

[up] I don't really see the distinction. When you mod a video game, it does not at any point cease to be a video game. (Unless it becomes a Visual Novel, but there's a different namespace for that.) And depending on your definition of the term, total conversion mods that have become their own games like Sonic Robo Blast 2 would fall under that.

SeptimusHeap Farewell, NEOWISE from Southern Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Farewell, NEOWISE
Apr 16th 2013 at 5:11:39 AM

A Game Mod is like a Fan Edit, but with the software, right? I would not put that into its own Namespace.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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