Fixing zero context examples

I say remove them. You'll find information on these characters on those pages, not to mention that potholing character names to tropes is a pet peeve of mine despite it being explicitly permitted (How to Write an Example).

It's just pretty superfluous, though it's not necessarily against the rules.

I say keep the potholes, as they describe the characters and don't hurt anything.

They hurt something, in my opinion. :-) I think it's distracting.

When you go to a character page, you're not interested in being linked directly to one trope page.

I got to the page during some cleanup, and I actually thought it's one of the pages where one character has a separate page.

Also, sometimes a character is really defined by one dominant trope, but it rarely is. Characters are always a combination of tropes. For example on the page I linked, two characters are potholed to Spoiled Sweet. Reading the example context for the actual characters, one was misuse and the other a zero-context example.

It's safe to assume there are several inaccuracies.

VideoGame.Granny has been patched up by some user who was trying to fix the "Zero Context Examples". However, most of them I feel have some context in them. I would like a dispute.

Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Nov 10th 2019 at 10:55:25 AM

Those examples are correctly commented out. The page has really been fixed. Some context is not enough. The trope has to be explained well and in full, not just half of the trope or just mention a name of some character. Please read Administrivia.Zero Context Example.

This is the only example from the page that I think might be un-commented as it is.

• Enfant Terrible: The Child of Slendrina, who can already eat meat (and humans) at an early age.

That's explained fairly well, though it would be best if the example context mentioned the child's age.

Edited by XFllo on Nov 10th 2019 at 6:29:07 PM

Hmm, I think Apocalyptic Log and Cruel and Unusual Death are pretty decent, if maybe some re-writing needed on the latter one to focus only on the cruel death mentioned.

But otherwise, yeah. Partial Context is just as bad as no context at all.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 10th 2019 at 2:18:39 PM

The whole "character name-to-trope pothole" thing can be discussed elsewhere. Right now, I attempted a bit of Cross Wicking for the newly created page on Sesamstraße, the German version of the, as of today, 50-year-old Sesame Street. For Beary Friendly, I was having trouble adding context for some entries in the Puppet Shows folder, so I hope what I did was sufficient:

I wonder if the description could be buffed, though, to explain how this is a legitimate trope and not just People Sit on Chairs.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Nov 10th 2019 at 5:09:09 AM

Which thread do you suggest? I'd be happy to repost and seek more opinions. I thought this is very relevant to the ZCE issue because it's exactly the core of the problem: An editor sticks one trope to a character without explaining how or why the character fits the trope, and others have limited options to check if it's actually accurate.

Create a new one in Wiki Talk, where you shall face my Wall of Text.

Are my edits to Beary Friendly sufficient, though? I want to make sure they're at least good enough to let you see how the trope fits.

How about taking it to the Character Page Cleanup thread?

I commented out a number of examples on Yuri Fan (and deleted one that was violating multiple rules and needed to be rewritten or deleted), so if someone wants to review my work, feel free.

Looks good to me

About the potholes: I'm having a Sansa Stark moment: "I just realized... I don't care." (Nah, I still care but not enough to repost. Perhaps later. Arguments for removal: it's distracting; it's reductive; it's potentially inaccurate; arguments for keeping it: it's good for wiki-walking; it increases number of wicks.)

The new write-ups for Beary Friendly look good. For some reason, I'd include colours of the puppets. Are they white polar bears? Good ol' brown ones? Or are they kinda wacky, perhaps pink or orange?

I expanded on the top folder in Characters.Metroid Space Pirates, fixing zero context examples and examples that could use more context, as well as commenting out those I thought might be misuse or I otherwise couldn't expand on, but got tired of after that. I know for a fact that there are more problematic examples including ZC Es in the other folders if someone wants to go through them.

Firebreather has a lot of ZCEs.

Just commented-out some ZCEs on Garfield and Friends.

Funny.Other, under Nature. Plenty of ZCE entries. A lot of simply listing the animal, some with weasel words attached...

Done, with a hidden note explaining the deletion.

Edited by Berrenta on Nov 19th 2019 at 6:38:49 AM

Personally, I'd rather just nuke the whole section. I know that Funny Moments isn't No Real Life Examples, Please!, but this isn't valuable.

Most of the examples under the Music section of One-Woman Wail don't have context. Is there a way to write them differently?

It will usually be in the form of "(Work) has a woman wailing about/when/because (subject or context)." That's all we need on a trope page.^note We also need to clearly name the work within the text of the example, which can sometimes be "overlooked" by overzealous tropers Entry Pimping stuff they like, but since we're dealing with a Music folder it's not an issue in this case.

Obviously, if we know why the creator put a One-Woman Wail in the work, we can add that too, but it's not a requirement.

Creator.Hector Hugh Munro has...quite a lot of ZCE entries. I'll try commenting as much out as I could.

We got a motherload of ZCEs over at Characters.Pretty Cure Full Color. May have to migrate examples with context to the work page and chainsaw the whole thing.

Back in June, Lolsnake9 uncommented seemingly all the ZCEs on Bishōnen.