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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
The AI thing is by far the worst aspect of the PCM and "de-graying" thing. Like, to have such a major theme of the Hickman run be "no one demographic is all bad" and driving home how the only reason the Sentinels and other such AI and robots and transhumans turn on mutants and humans alike is because of how they're mistreated and raised in a toxic culture where they're told that they're nothing more than weapons in a race war. And than to follow that up with "actually we were right the unholy machine needs to be purged because they're just evil and want to kill us all for no raisin" is bad writing at best, actively uncomfortable at worst. Imagine if there were a movie about the Vietnam War that went into a lot of detail about the background of the conflict and the reasons the Vietcong fought, and than the conclusion it suggested was "therefore the entire population of the Asian continent are nothing but inhuman monsters that will kill us all if we don't exterminate them to the man".
All the discussion of Hickman’s Original Plan makes me wonder how much of it actually survived to the final version. Like, I believe it was confirmed that the Four Sinisters/Dominion stuff was always going to happen, and I’d wager the Mystique and Destiny stuff was too.
My suspicion is that the period directly after Inferno was broadly following the plans Hickman had, but it diverged further and further from them as it went and now only has tangential relation to his original pitch.
Well over in deadpool his relationship didn't last and he and his giant symbiote dog princess are kinda bummed about it but wade decides to make a new merc agency so they can get a new family. Also he sees ellie again and gives her a phone that's a direct line to him
Like reflections in the glass!
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Symbiote dog princess?
from the last run. He was implanted with bits of carnage symbiote and out burst new cletus Cassidy, who was immediately eaten by a giant symbiote dog creature that wade calls princess
The Head of the Hydra
Oh wow so its a different symbiote dog from the Life Foundation dog.
Edited by slimcoder on Apr 3rd 2024 at 2:39:37 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Eh, I'd suggest the grayness was never going to last and that we're following the way it was always going to go.
1. The X-men got better and got rid of Apoclaypse, Sinister, and Moira.
2. Orchis got rid of all of its less radical members.
But I'm always going to side with the people trying to build a homeland to avoid being genocided over the people who suspect the mutants MIGHT someday replace them.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 3rd 2024 at 2:44:32 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
The Head of the Hydra
I think even if Orchis has to be portrayed more negatively cause of real life stuff, that still doesn't change the poor writing on display by Duggan because he writes Orchis as completely ineffectual and incompetent just to be slaughtered by the X-Men.
Like Nimrod is a far cry from how menacing he was when written by Hickman as an uber-robot Terminator constantly slaughtering X-Men and now he's getting more pummeled by other X-Men.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Yeah, I've made my feelings on this subject known before but I'd be able to at least tolerate it to some degree if Orchis seemed like an actual threat. As is, they're so impotent and hopeless that it's almost like watching the X-Men slaughter an army of concussed kittens.
he/him
Duggan's Nimrod is as powerful or weak as the issue needs him to be, I think.
Dropping into the Hellfire Gala entirely undetected, killing the new X-Men team, defeating Juggernaut and slaughtering all opposition? Sure.
Immobilised in one hit by Krakoa spitting goop on him? Yeah, why not.
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
See Cain. This is what happens when you go full Face.
Stay evil!
One Strip! One Strip!
Oh, bother.
That was supposed to not be a problem for Cain anymore after he found a way to tap into the Juggernaut power without being totally dependent on Cyttorak.
But I guess it still is.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Like reflections in the glass!
I mean that is just The Worf Effect in action. Nothing that unusual.
Oh, bother.
The funny thing is that Juggie was such a victim of that they eventually wrote an in-universe justification for it. Namely, that Juggernaut's power depends entirely on how entertained Cyttorak is by the Juggernaut, and Cyttorak found the whole hero thing boring.
But like I said, that's not an excuse anymore since Cain found a way to be Juggernaut without pandering to Cyttorak so much.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Huh. If Cain can tap the power himself....
I see. That's how Zane does it.![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
I'm taking it as a Call-Forward. None can stop me.
One Strip! One Strip!
That's actually a pretty clever idea. Headcanon accepted.
Oh, bother.
That said, Nimrod taking him down was at least explained. Cain's human soft tissues have consistently been portrayed as not being complete invulnerable throughout all of his appearances. Nimrod simply targeted his brain directly via vibrations in the air.
I guess even a demon of unstoppable force can only do so much to power up a regular human body.
Edited by M84 on Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:05:20 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
To be fair, there was always the Bullying a Dragon element of fighting the X-men.
How far do you have to push before they stop caring whether you live or die.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Simone has said her run will be Southern Gothic horror-themed and set in New Orleans. So it may not be Krakoa, but not Strictly Formula either. Intriguing…
I've mentioned before that I think X-Men is at it's best when it's going full "cyberpunk horror that's also a superhero comic", and the Southern Gothic vibe is certainly something the series hasn't done much before, so that's all definitely piquing my interest. Totally unsurprising that Simone's book is the only one in From The Ashes really standing out to me right now.
he/him
Randomly looked back at the Spotify playlist Kieron Gillen released for Immortal X-Men.
I can't remember if I noticed at the time but, yes, of course it has The Sisters of Mercy's "Dominion" as one of the tracks.
"Some day, some day, some day, Dominion"
Edited by HamburgerTime on Apr 3rd 2024 at 11:32:21 AM