X-Men In General

I'm loving his dialogue in that.

Damn. He's just styling all over those dudes.

Breaks his own fingers and still looks good.

Why did it seem like Marvel hated him back in the day?

Whatever the case, I'm glad this comic is around.

I suspect Marvel just had less interest in abrasive jackass characters back in the day. There were always some - Hawkeye and Wolverine being the biggest examples - but for the most part, they preferred their heroes to be likeable. Then the '90s hit, and asshole heroes became a lot more popular. And the '00s hit, and characters being unlikable was basically the founding principle of the Ultimate Universe.

Quicksilver’s kinda fun cause like. He’s not evil (usually). He’s not an edgy antihero. He’s just an asshole

Pietro lying about having been replaced by a Skrull during Secret Invasion just to weasel out of trouble for something he absolutely did is still one of my favorite character moments ever. It's so realistically pathetic and scummy while still keeping him at least somewhat likable and well-meaning. As says, he's not evil, he's not even really an anti-hero. He's a superhero through and through... he's just one that happens to also being a total dickhead.

So are Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch the mutant children driven to evil by Magneto again? That was already kind of convoluted, but it's the simplest explanation for what they are that we've ever gotten.

Also, is Scarlet Witch back to manipulating luck? The fact that she's fighting Wizard suggests the writer is aware of how ridiculous that development was.(Or is Wizard a reality warper now too? What about Long Shot and Domino?)

If that is indeed the case, I'm going to headcanon that Wanda's "No More Mutants" declaration from House of M also caused her and Pietro's own history to be rewritten In-Universe as them having never been mutants (with Magneto's siring the two of them being the obvious point in the timeline for Wanda to Cosmic Retcon out). Them going back to being Magneto's mutant kids is just the proper timeline reasserting itself.

Edited by TrashJack on Mar 22nd 2024 at 3:56:14 PM

Editorial is still trying to push the stupid "Whizzer is their dad" retcon as canon, but in practice nobody has been willing to indulge that and the idea that Magneto isn't their dad in any way is basically never mentioned aside from the very occasional token vague reference. Wanda and Pietro are still written as if they're his kids in interactions with him.

Right, so Marvel is salty that movies are now their money makers, but they don't have the film rights to X-Men and Fantastic Four. Rob Leifeld is many things, but I've yet to hear/read anyone accusing him of being a liar, and all of Marvel's behavior seems to indicate he's right...except this.

I mean isn't it just the craziest luck we moved two X-Men characters over to Avengers so early in their history? I know, let's tie them to a Fantastic Four character! That totally doesn't give Fox and Sony more ammunition!

The origin change becomes more pointless because its not like Marvel uses them anymore than they already do.

They made no appearances in Avengers Assemble or the Avengers game by Square Enix game despite both those prosperities being all about MCU synergy.

Yeah. Like, what's the point of altering Wanda and Pietro for the synergy if you're not even gonna use them much? The MCU made use of Wanda but killed Pietro as fast as it could. And as you said, most non-comic media didn't make a lot of use of them either, and none of those . I think Tom Brevoort brought up the Comic-Book Time issues as a justification for the change, but it's not like they cared about that before and Whizzer causes the same problems, arguably even worse, given he never experienced any kind of de-aging or extended lifespan like Magneto got yet still fought in WWII.

I think you're getting characters confused. The person Marvel tried to retcon as Wanda and Pietro's father is Whizzer, the one yellow spandex-wearing speedster from Marvel's old Golden Age comics. Not Wizard, the Fantastic Four villain.

wait, there was a guy clad in yellow named Whizzer? that has got to be the funniest instance of Have a Gay Old Time yet (or was it?)

It gets funnier finding out modern adaptations/stories of the Squadron Supreme now use Blur as their resident speedster instead of Whizzer.

I'm aware of Whizzer's existence, but I brushed it off, what with Wizard in the preview claiming to have "truth" on his side and because seriously? Whizzer? I can't remember ever seeing him in a comic book, just in articles making fun of Marvel.

So uh, High Evolutionary's kids. Nexus Beings of Cthun. Inhumans. Whizzer's kids? Nope, I believe Leifeld more than ever now.

Yeah, it's pretty laughable. Especially because Whizzer has been dead for decades now and never brought back, and even after being retconned into Wanda and Pietro's dad he was barely acknowledged; you'd see stuff like Pietro talking about his feelings of learning he isn't Magneto's biological son while never even alluding to his supposed actual father.

Didn’t they expand on the retcon by making the Scarlet Witch title a legacy? How the heck does that work with everything else? Even if they retcon things back to Magneto is their dad?

The Scarlet Witch legacy is on her mother's side.

So take it like she descends from both a paternal and maternal lineage of notable renown.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 22nd 2024 at 5:41:37 AM

I mean, they could reveal that Magda was part of this line, and essentially make her both a mutant and keep the Scarlet Witch Legacy Character stuff.

Hell, wasn't it originally made clear that her Mutant Powers let her tap into Chaos Magic in the first place? They could bring that back.

The current story is that the Maximoff's adopted parents were actually their biological parents.

That's what always gets me about everyone treating Magneto as the true father. He met them when they were grown ass adults and conscripted them into his little group, their family relationship does not start in any meaningful way until years after knowing each other, and the people who actually raised Pietro and Wanda are ignored.

Using their adopted parents while Magneto being their biological father who coerced them into being evil are not mutually exclusive. Might be more room for the adopted parents in stories if so much time was not spent trying ever more creative ways to separate the two from Magneto.

Why should they be separate? Controlling the two children he did not raise is one of his better known lows of villainy, one that's stuck through his re imagining as a holocaust survivor.

Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:40:27 AM

wasnt their adopted parents their biological aunt and uncle?

also I just dislike magneto being their father because it makes every story they do with them have to involve magneto...but I guess it didnt change much with them not being blood related so idk

Yeah the parental retcon changed absolutely nothing about them.

They are still tied to Magneto so the adoption distinction is superfluous.

And Wanda and Pietro remain in play as they usually are. Pietro especially remains unused in favor of his sister so it's not like not being revealed as Magneto's son suddenly made a bunch of writers want to tackle him.

The Maximoff Twins are as they are regardless of whether Mags is their blood father or not.

Ya know personally I dislike the whole Jean/Cyclops/Wolverine throuple thing, cause it just feels like throwing a bone to Wolverine fanboys so he can snog Jean all he wants.

Even when Scott and Jean are married we can't just have Logan move on from his unhealthy obsession with Jean, no we have to reward him for being a homewrecking creep.

Which even then I believe Scott and Jean having an open relationship hasn't really been shown or explored much with either character as neither are ever shown majorly dating other characters.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 23rd 2024 at 2:31:44 AM

The problem with a Cyclops Jean Grey open relationship isn't a character problem, but a writer problem. The two characters most likely to be put together with them are Emma Frost and Wolverine, who open relationship or not, the other partner is absolutely justified in saying "Do not bring that despot/madman into my room!"

Now, pair Cyclops with Madeline Prior, that would be a healthy place to go, an addition that could make an open relationship work. Jean Grey and...who is another man good for Jean Grey that would respect the boundaries of Cyclops? Bonus points if it is someone actually relevant to the X-books.

Well, Jean's old enough now that Xavier's crush on Jean from way back when is no longer inappropriate.