We could rename this page to Tears Of Weakness and make Water Works a redirect to Tear Tropes. How about that?
Wizard/Father of Tom
Uhm... I have a problem with this crowner. The top two options are not mutually exclusive. I want to vote yes to both. Maybe that's why they both have lots of support.
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That's not a problem. Vote them both up and if they both have consensus we'll do them both.
Wizard/Father of Tom
I... I thought... that was impossible! Thanks, shima, for pointing that one out. For some reason I was under the impression it negated your previous vote if you attempted it. Sure I read it somewhere.
This looks to be shaping up to be a fairly straightforward vote.
This crowner's been stable for a while. Is this ready to call? As pointed out, the two highest scoring options aren't mutually exclusive.
AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN
Then is it okay to move this page to Tears Of Weakness or do we need another discussion/crowner on the name first?
The old page's description won't suffice and there are almost no correct examples, so I think the best option would be to send it to YKTTW and start anew.
I'm preparing the YKTTW. I presume this thread can be closed.
The wicks still need to be cleaned, so this thread should probably stay open until that is finished.
As long as the new page is not through YKTTW and up, the links cannot be cleaned. Just saying.
Entirely false statement. The links to Water Works are no longer useful. Expecially since they were crappy links to begin with. We're starting over. I have no clue what you're talking about.
I can't set links to the new page, as long as the page is not there. I mean, I could, but they'd appear red.— Not all of the old links were bad.
edited 6th Nov '11 1:28:33 PM by LordGro
Very few (if any) of the old wicks were any good. Almost all of them are either simply "this person cries" or X Just X. This isn't a rename. It's a new beginning. The old trope was poorly defined and barely used correctly, so there's nothing really worth salvaging.
edited 6th Nov '11 1:35:34 PM by Insignificant
So what do you actually mean by cleaning up the wicks? You already redirected Water Works to Tear Tropes. And now you're going to delete all the wicks?
Of course. Tear Tropes is an index. Since Water Works isn't a trope anymore, we can't have it being used as one.
ON A SIDE NOTE: Maybe I could report findings of any examples that could fit the new Tears Of Weakness trope whenever I'm cleaning up wicks. Although I doubt I'll find many; pretty much all of the ones I've come across so far are either simply "this person cries", X Just X, or fall under some other Tear Trope.
Well, it's not worth arguing about a few links, but actually you disregarded the outcome of the vote which was to redirect Water Works and to rename this page, not to delete it.
There was no consensus to rename this page. Renaming is at a distant third place on the crowner. Consensus was to 1) "repurpose Water Works as a redirect to Tear Tropes" and 2) "restore the original definition". And that's what we're doing - repurposing Water Works as a redirect, and making a new Tears Of Weakness trope so that the original definition can be restored.
edited 6th Nov '11 2:38:12 PM by Insignificant
Just cleaned up some more wicks. During my cleanup, I found three wicks that could be salvageable for the new trope, so I left them alone for now:
Did some more cleanup. Salvageable wicks:
A favorite trope of the Romantic movement, who regarded it as a mark of exquisite sensibility. Scorning them — such as characterizing them as Water Works — is a mark of a callous and hard-hearted soul; even those who do not cry themselves can appreciate Tender Tears.
Found some more salvageable wicks:
Characters.Tokimeki Memorial 2:
Well, I cleaned up all the wicks except for the salvageable ones for the new trope and Ranma ½ whose wick I can't seem to find (stupid ptitle).
edited 7th Nov '11 2:51:14 PM by Insignificant
Very Fine Dodger
Is cleanup finished, or can a mod lock it now?
I still haven't started the Tears Of Weakness YKTTW I promised (shame on me).
But I think this thread can be locked. The page is gone, and discussion on the new page will have to happen in YKTTW.
We should at least keep this open until you actually have the YKTTW up.
edited 17th Dec '11 6:38:59 PM by MyTimingIsOff
Crown Description:
Water Works is supposed to be about being held in contempt for crying, but it's constantly misused to refer to crybabies or crying in general. Misuse is so rampant that actual correct examples of the trope are rare.
If it's redirected, what about the trope? Will a new one be made?