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4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Oct 7th 2019 at 7:44:34 PM

[up] That's the thing though: it has to be judged by context. 4 deadly words: Case-by-case basis.

To the intellectuals, ignorants are slaves.
wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Oct 7th 2019 at 9:48:06 PM

I would say that "case by case basis" pretty much rules out "the murderer in a murder mystery is automatically a Walking Spoiler, no exceptions".

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 7th 2019 at 10:09:36 PM

Why would the murderer in a murder mystery be a Walking Spoiler? Isn't a Walking Spoiler someone who's very existence would be a spoiler? You can talk about the character who does the murdering without it being an inherent spoiler.

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4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Oct 7th 2019 at 10:23:39 PM

[up] If there's the mystery of "who actually did it", the answer would then be a spoiler.

To the intellectuals, ignorants are slaves.
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 7th 2019 at 10:26:34 PM

[up] Yes, but that wouldn't make the character a Walking Spoiler, it'd just mean there's a spoiler involving the character.

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wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Oct 7th 2019 at 11:13:30 PM

Yeah, I don't actually understand why ~Miss_Desperado suggested this. I mean, I think it was rhetorical, but I still don't understand.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Oct 7th 2019 at 11:13:42 AM

🐱 Name: Sylvi 🐱 Pronouns: it/they/she 🐱
4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Oct 7th 2019 at 11:48:57 PM

[up][up][up] But try to look @ many character pages where the character is revealed to be a bad guy, or have their true nature be revealed. When it becomes hard to talk about a character without tripping the spoiler (i.e having to spoiler-tag a lot), then he's a Walking Spoiler.

To the intellectuals, ignorants are slaves.
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 7th 2019 at 11:49:46 PM

[up] If.

The point is, these sort of characters are not inherently Walking Spoiler characters.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 7th 2019 at 2:50:22 PM

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wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Oct 7th 2019 at 11:54:58 PM

Ehhhhh.

Talking about a character outside the context of a tvtropes character page doesn't require that you spoiler-tag anything spoilery about them, just that you don't mention it. I'd say they're only a Walking Spoiler if it's difficult to talk about them even then.

🐱 Name: Sylvi 🐱 Pronouns: it/they/she 🐱
4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Oct 8th 2019 at 3:44:00 AM

[up][up] I thought I said "it's decided on a case-by-case basis" for a reason.

To the intellectuals, ignorants are slaves.
Oct 8th 2019 at 8:26:29 AM

@wingedcatgirl: I didn't "suggest", I asked for clarification on what a Walking Spoiler could manifest as. Given the argument that sprung up afterwards, I don't think I was very successful in getting that clarification.

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Oct 8th 2019 at 8:27:42 AM

Oct 8th 2019 at 4:10:15 PM

Is Feminist Fantasy overly broad, and seeming to be anything with a female Protag?

A TRS seemed to end on that note, but my attempt to revive it flopped, so I'm not sure anymore.

Edited by Malady on Oct 8th 2019 at 4:12:42 AM

Help with possible disambig and redirect issues!
wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Oct 8th 2019 at 4:37:04 PM

I'm... not super clear what Feminist Fantasy is, but "the protagonist is female" would be chairs. The description on page says "At its most basic, this just means science fiction or fantasy whose main character is a woman who is the active center of her own story, making things happen." Which... excludes Pinball Protagonists. That's still pretty broad.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Oct 8th 2019 at 4:38:28 AM

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4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Oct 8th 2019 at 6:09:30 PM

[up] it was probably meant to be "anti male chauvinism", which could be a thing in older works.

To the intellectuals, ignorants are slaves.
naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Oct 9th 2019 at 6:25:11 PM

Feminist Fantasy is beyond the scope of this thread, I think. I'm not sure what it's exactly about, and I think it needs the TRS to decide.

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
ShinyCottonCandy Actually sour cream from The Galar Region Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Actually sour cream
Oct 10th 2019 at 5:52:16 PM

I just stumbled upon Talking Typography, and it doesn’t have a description so much as just a laconic on its main page.

I need to think of a better signature.
Oct 11th 2019 at 5:13:13 PM

I think this is a good question to ask.

Clueless Aesop had a section here.

Don't confuse this with a Family-Unfriendly Aesop either, because while again there can be some crossover, Clueless Aesops are acceptable lessons — at least, they start out that way. It's just that the lesson is handled in such a compressed time, in a manner that is so laughable (or even offensive), or is presented in such an out-there or age-inappropriate show that it ultimately ends up warped. The typical reaction is Don't Shoot the Message.

Going by its wording, it seems to say Family-Unfriendly Aesop are bad which isn't the case.

Gacha Is A Lie.
4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Oct 11th 2019 at 7:19:51 PM

So Family-Unfriendly Aesop isn't about "bad message that the audience received"? (I'm half-joking)

To the intellectuals, ignorants are slaves.
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 11th 2019 at 7:27:56 PM

Family-Unfriendly Aesop is an Aesop that goes against "accepted" morals, but isn't necessarily a bad moral- just unorthodox, and controversial.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Oct 11th 2019 at 11:28:07 PM

I would guess, "viewers getting the bad message out of a work" wouldn't deserve to be listed anywhere on this wiki.

Of course, I'm talking about some examples that are just like that.

Edited by 4tell0life4 on Oct 11th 2019 at 11:28:21 AM

To the intellectuals, ignorants are slaves.
Pichu-kun ...
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Oct 12th 2019 at 6:24:41 PM

Bishōnen was recently added to this line on Pretty Boy:

This doesn't necessarily mean he's androgynous or looks like a girl, though. (That's a different trope, Dude Looks Like a Lady, Bishōnen, or Viewer Gender Confusion, if he's androgynous enough that the audience is genuinely confused about his sex.)

Can I delete it? Bishōnen is the East Asian equivalent of Pretty Boy, so I think it'd confuse people if it implied that Bishonens are prettier than Pretty Boys.

4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Oct 12th 2019 at 7:32:01 PM

[up] Agree

To the intellectuals, ignorants are slaves.
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