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I'm willing to bet that the next movie has Kraven the Hunter. Perhaps with some Spider Slayers or even the Enforcers thrown into the mix.
Too old for this
Wasn't there also a Spiderman mural at some point in the trailer?
However that film turns out, I will have fun watching Matt Smith as the villain. Though for once I'd like to see one former actor of the Doctor not play the villain in a Marvel movie or series.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
Has Capaldi played a Marvel villain?
He'll likely be playing a DC villain in The Suicide Squad. So there's that.
Role Model
Nope all villains. Peter Capaldi as Galactus. Jodie Whittaker as Veranke.
The sad, REAL American dichotomy
Too old for this
I'd definitely watch that.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
Disasturbator
Peter Capaldi would have been great as Doctor Strange thinking about it,though it would have been a little on the nose so to speak
New theme music also a box
How would they make Kraven a threat?
It is hard to believe that Peter, who managed to dodge drone shots at close range, cannot dodge a few darts or arrows.
Kraven does have superhuman strength/endurance/reflexes/senses in the comics. If that aspect of the character is imported into the MCU then he's going to be a match for Spidey in regards to physical attributes.
Doctor of Doctorates
Or have Kraven at Batman levels of preparation with traps and tricks all set up in advance. How specific the Spider sense is can vary but if it's "just" a general sense of peril then Spidey could conceivably escape one trap by inadvertently leaping into another
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Funny but not helpful
In comics people have taken advantage of his spider-sense by setting it up so dodging one danger puts him in another one.
Often after he has explained how his spider-sense works at length and out loud.
Edited by Bocaj on Jan 13th 2020 at 7:09:43 AM
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Well, Batman is somewhat inconsistent, varies between "He beat Superman, only because the kryptonian was holding back" to "He beat the entire league on his own, even when many of them could crush him like an ant"
Regarding Kraven, he is super-soldier level, but they could make him stronger.
Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 13th 2020 at 4:16:24 AM
The Head of the Hydra
There’s also turning him into a lion-man.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Foreign Troper
Yeah Kraven's potions make him superhuman, he isn't just a guy in funny clothes with a load of weapons.
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Obviously every character is Depending on the Writer (or depending on the movie), but Civil War (backed up by Homecoming) made the argument that Captain America probably could kill Peter if he was so motivated, despite being at a strength disadvantage.
And Cap's powers are essentially a combination of "peak" (actually super-human) strength and being an expert tactician. Which is pretty much Kraven's power-set. And unlike Cap, Kraven is a few blini short of a platter.
I'd like to see a Kraven that hearkens back to his inspiration General Zaroff and emphasizes that combination of cultured tastes and intellect and amoral barbarism.
It's always a bit weird how often people question Kraven's threat level. He's basically a variable on Black Panther's power scheme (amped up with herbs, uses a lot of gadgetery to level the playing field).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Kraven’s the sort of guy who would take Pete to a super high end steakhouse before trying to kill him, and he’d be appalled when Pete just wants Shake Shack.
He’s a fun character to use and it would be nice to have a villain not driven by Stark envy.
Edited by Beatman1 on Jan 13th 2020 at 8:39:57 AM
Strict adherence to power levels is overrated anyway. Down that road lies needless escalation.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 13th 2020 at 5:44:24 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
The Head of the Hydra
Amusingly the Ultimate version did make his human form a joke before he upgraded himself into a lion-man.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Oh, bother.
Granted, even as a lion-man the Ultimate version wasn't much of a threat. The rest of the Ultimate Sinister Six were more genuinely threatening.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Power levels do matter, a normal human shouldn't be able to beat Spiderman or Loki, just because he is a better fighter.
Captain America shouldn't stop Thanos's hand either, just for being a better fighter.
Skill matters, but don't overdo it either.
According to your logic, Black widow would beat Dormammu, just for being a better fighter.
Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 13th 2020 at 6:27:33 AM
In a sense, power levels aren't that important because the writers essentially decides who "wins" based on what they think would make for the most emotionally satisfying or interesting moment in the broader story being told, not merely what makes sense according to an arbitrary power level that often depends on the individual writer anyway.
Granted, I don't think you can bend that completely but in general I really don't care for power level debates.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Jan 13th 2020 at 10:30:31 AM
Stan Lee once said the character that wins is the one the writer wants to win.
Everything else is just fan overthink.
Funny but not helpful
Cap stopped his hand for like twenty seconds and Thanos looked more perplexed at this shouting man than stymied. And then he kicked his ass.
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Logically, Spiderman should be untouchable for normal humans, but constantly loses against normal humans, just because the normal human is more "skilled".
I didn't say that skill doesn't matter, but many use the "Skill" to justify that a character can beat a guy out of his league
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My point, It wouldn't make sense that Spiderman can dodge bullets, but can't dodge Kraven's arrows.
Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 13th 2020 at 6:47:10 AM
