If the write-ups for Gainax Ending and Trippy Finale Syndrome are done right then the difference shouldn't have to be spelled out. Ah, to live in a perfect world... But we dont. So instead, I think it's a good idea so concisely but clearly spell out the difference.
As a completely unrelated comment, why the heck is half of the example text whited? It's an Ending Trope, shouldn't that mean all spoilers will be unmarked like in Death Tropes?
Generally this seems to be used for anything mildly surprising or weird if it happens in the finale.
edited 31st Aug '11 6:34:49 AM by peccantis
This is going to be so much fun.
Why does it have to be named to Gainax anyway? As seen in the examples, they're not the ones who only do that.
Stupid Fan Myopia.
Jupiterian Local
Huh, apparently I wrote that new writeup back in May, but it never got implemented. Oh well.
Here's the writeup (reposted from last page) with a new bit to help distinguish it from Trippy Finale Syndrome:
A Gainax Ending is an ending that doesn't make any sense. The is usually a deliberate form of Mind Screw, but may also be a form of Gecko Ending when the creators run out of time or money to continue production, or be intended as a Sequel Hook to a sequel that was never made. For whatever reason, after watching a Gainax Ending, you won't have any idea what happened. After rewatching it, rewatching the entire series, discussing it with other fans, looking up the meaning of the symbolism, and subjecting the entire thing to a comprehensive literary analysis, you still won't have any idea what happened. If you're lucky, then there will be some kind of emotional or symbolic resolution even if it doesn't actually explain what happened to the characters. If you're not, then you'll be left with more questions than when you started.
A Gainax Ending frequently involves bizarre and nonsensical Genre Shifts, Fauxlosophic Narration, and/or Faux Symbolism. If it's a Troubled Production-style Gainax Ending, then it will probably also feature lots of Stock Footage and Navel-Gazing (as those are both cheap and can be added quickly). For an aborted Sequel Hook, you might encounter a Diabolus Ex Vacuus (where a new villain appears from nowhere, does something villainous, and then disappears again) or No Ending in the form of an ambiguous Cliffhanger. Either way, it would have been addressed in the sequel... had there been one.
Compare No Ending, which shares the lack of resolution, and Trippy Finale Syndrome, which has similar imagery but actually makes sense (it's explicitly a Dream Sequence, a Battle in the Center of the Mind, takes place in Another Dimension, etc). Not to be confused with Gainaxing.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
I see the Awesomeness.
It's from the ancient times, when coming up with the most obscure, obtuse, obstructive names possible was a much beloved hobby of the average YKTTW inhabitant and that wasn't seen as a problem.
Fight smart, not fair.
But if the name itself isn't the problem, it shouldn't be renamed. Yes, its at least a little Fan Myopia. That doesn't mean we have to change it.
Mind you, I'm not sure that the name isn't the problem in this case. I'm just urging caution.
Jupiterian Local
Putting aside the issue of the name for the moment, do we like the new description enough to swap it out?
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Rabid Fujoshi
I do like it.
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Trippy Finale Syndrome, The Same Except Trippier?
I just say leave Gainax Ending along and rename Trippy Finale Syndrome to Trippy Finale In Trippy Realm or Trippy Realm Finale. Or cut it, if it's not distinct enough.
Jupiterian Local
We've talked about that. They're definitely different. Gainax Ending is something that literally doesn't many any sense, while Trippy Finale Syndrome is for something that has trippy visuals, but does make sense (because it's a Dream Sequence or Battle in the Center of the Mind or something like that). Though Trippy Finale Syndrome's description could certainly use expansion to make that more clear...
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
I'm glasses.
I just stopped by this thread because I was bugged that the Trope Namer doesn't get its own folder section, like other Trope Namers do. Would it be okay if I did that?
edited 4th Oct '11 1:20:46 AM by Sporkaganza
Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember them, you are not alone.
This could definitely do with a rename. Especially since we have a trope called Gainaxing that has nothing to do with this.
edited 4th Oct '11 2:32:17 AM by Routerie
Title? What Title?
Thirding the rename. It never occurred to me that I had no idea what the trope was until i saw this thread, mainly because the trope name meant absolutely nothing to me. And Fan Myopia is a fine reason to change things, if making a change away from the Fan Myopia makes it clearer and easier to understand.
Being in a Japanese-produced work is not enough of a difference to warrant its own trope.
Think of the mooks!
I think a rename is in order as well, particularly since I don't associate Gainax specifically with this kind of ending (I typically think of Hideaki Anno specifically rather than Gainax as a whole). I note that Mind Screw Finale is already a redirect - maybe just a redirect swap?
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
Jupiterian Local
Redirect swap works for me.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Title? What Title?
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I still don't have a clue what a Gainax is, or who Hideo Whateverhisnameis might be.
The redirect swap sounds good to me.
Being in a Japanese-produced work is not enough of a difference to warrant its own trope.
Think of the mooks!
Gainax is an anime studio, most famous for creating Neon Genesis Evangelion. Hideaki Anno was the director of that. That anime, more than anything else, is the primary reason the trope got named what it did (though there were a few other reasons why).
Title? What Title?
Okay, so its a medium-specific name for a non-medium-specific trope.
Yeah, the rename can't happen fast enough.
Being in a Japanese-produced work is not enough of a difference to warrant its own trope.
Cure Candy
Except for this
This title has brought 11,803 people to the wiki
This is one of the most popular tropes on the wiki. (and its good when wicks and inbounds match but to be over 11x the wicks is an insane number of inbounds.)
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
Was the description rewrite ever done? It looks clear enough to me, but the first paragraph could probably be removed completely. Also, I don't see any wick checks anywhere.
Jupiterian Local
There's a description rewrite here
; it hasn't been implemented yet.
Title? What Title?
A shitty, too-narrow, medium specific, unintelligible, opaque, confusing name with a lot of wicks is still a shitty, too-narrow, medium specific, unintelligible, opaque, confusing name, and still needs to be changed on the basis of being a shitty, too-narrow, medium specific, unintelligible, opaque, confusing name.
It is, after all, why we changed Nakama despite the popularity.
edited 5th Oct '11 6:38:07 AM by Worldmaker
Being in a Japanese-produced work is not enough of a difference to warrant its own trope.
I like the new write up I guess but it should explicitly spell out the difference between this and Trippy Finale Syndrome
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