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* FranchiseOriginalSin: A recurring lament of the fanbase is the franchise perennially de-aging the Titans regulars to keep them attached to the title, but this goes back at least as far as ''The New Teen Titans'', which knocked the Changeling down a few years to become the junior member of the team, despite this series taking place "a few years" after his Titans appearances in the 60s and 70s, where he's indicated to be their peer.

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A recurring lament of the fanbase is the franchise perennially de-aging the Titans regulars to keep them attached to the title, but this goes back at least as far as ''The New Teen Titans'', which knocked the Changeling down a few years to become the junior member of the team, despite this series taking place "a few years" after his Titans appearances in the 60s and 70s, where he's indicated to be their peer.peer.
** A common complaint since the oughts has been the frequency with which Titans get killed off in the DC Universe, which became especially prevalent around the time of the 2003 run and has continued into the present day[[note]]For reference, at least seven of the victims in ''Comicbook/HeroesInCrisis'' were current or former Titans[[/note]]. This is another thing that can be traced back to Wolfman’s landmark run, which famously saw Terra die at the end of ''Comicbook/TheJudasContract'', as well as the deaths of other Titans as it progressed, usually either in the series itself (Jericho, Raven, Golden Eagle, Gnarrk and Danny Chase) or as part of events Wolfman himself wrote like ''Comicbook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (Kole, Aquagirl and Dove). At the time, the death of a superhero was still a notable enough event that some of these actually landed and carried weight, with Terra’s demise in particular being regarded as a shocking and impactful development. However, as time has gone on, not only has [[DeathIsCheap death lost all meaning in comics]], but it’s happened to the Titans so often that many fans have been pushed into TooBleakStoppedCaring mode, having become convinced that DC sees the franchise as little more than a farm for future CListFodder.
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** In ''Titans: Sell-Out Special'', the Titans realise that someone has done an animated TV show about them titled ''Teeny Titans''. [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans Eleven years later...]] or [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo twenty-one years later...]]

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** In ''Titans: Sell-Out Special'', the Titans realise that someone has done an animated TV show about them titled ''Teeny Titans''. [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003 Eleven years later...]] or [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo twenty-one years later...]]



** Tim Drake ([[Comicbook/{{Robin}} Robin III]]) and Cassie Sandsmark ([[ComicBook/WonderGirl Wonder Girl II]]). Given the fact that they had a very platonic interaction before the hookup, that Wonder Girl was the girlfriend of Robin's dead best friend ComicBook/{{Superboy}}, and the reason they kissed in the first place was due to mutual mourning of said person... yeah, it was definitely a trainwreck. Fans of both Wonder Girl and Robin sighed a collective breath of relief when the pairing ended.

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** Tim Drake ([[Comicbook/{{Robin}} ([[ComicBook/{{Robin}} Robin III]]) and Cassie Sandsmark ([[ComicBook/WonderGirl Wonder Girl II]]). Given the fact that they had a very platonic interaction before the hookup, that Wonder Girl was the girlfriend of Robin's dead best friend ComicBook/{{Superboy}}, and the reason they kissed in the first place was due to mutual mourning of said person... yeah, it was definitely a trainwreck. Fans of both Wonder Girl and Robin sighed a collective breath of relief when the pairing ended.
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* HarsherInHindsight: At the end of Judas Contract, everyone pretty much writes off Terra as a psychopath who betrayed the Titans and banged Deathstroke for kicks. Modern audiences are much more likely to view her as the victim of horrific abuse at Deathstroke's hands, and the Titans callous to their friend's trauma and suicide. WordOfGod put the blame at Terra's feet for nearly 40 years.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The Team Titans had a lot of good potential on being the Titans equivalent of X-Force as originally planned only to suffer from poor writing and execution that cemented their status as a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] team and led to most of the team being {{retgone}}d as a result of ''ComicBook/ZeroHour''. It didn't help that their comic book was unfortunately affected by ExecutiveMeddling.

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The Team Titans had a lot of good potential on being the Titans equivalent of X-Force as originally planned only to suffer from poor writing and execution that cemented their status as a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] team and led to most of the team being {{retgone}}d as a result of ''ComicBook/ZeroHour''. It didn't help that their comic book was unfortunately affected by ExecutiveMeddling.


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** Solstice was a bright and perky new addition to the team who unfortunately debuted just before DC relaunched and rebooted everything with the New 52, at which point she was dragged into Scott Lobdell's run and put through a rather bizarre and meandering plot that turned her into a BrokenBird and ended with her killing a man so she could stay imprisoned alongside her boyfriend (Bar Torr, the New 52 Kid Flash). After that, the last time she appeared was as a dead body in ''ComicBook/HeroesInCrisis''.
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*** Between the [[KudzuPlot immense tangle of plot threads]] that [[PlotTumor erupted from the infamous "Titans Hunt" storyline]] and [[FourLinesAllWaiting clogged up the last six years of Wolfman's seminal run]], the [[WereStillRelevantDammit cringe-worthy attempts at being cool]], the [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece quickly outdated fashions]] and [[NinetiesAntiHero obnoxiously cynical attitudes]], and the editorial wrangling and {{Ass Pull}}s that yanked core characters in and out of the lineup, the inevitable GainaxEnding of the Wolfman run was something of a mercy killing.

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*** Between the [[KudzuPlot immense tangle of plot threads]] that [[PlotTumor erupted from the infamous "Titans Hunt" storyline]] and [[FourLinesAllWaiting clogged up the last six years of Wolfman's seminal run]], the [[WereStillRelevantDammit [[TotallyRadical cringe-worthy attempts at being cool]], the [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece quickly outdated fashions]] and [[NinetiesAntiHero obnoxiously cynical attitudes]], and the editorial wrangling and {{Ass Pull}}s that yanked core characters in and out of the lineup, the inevitable GainaxEnding of the Wolfman run was something of a mercy killing.
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* NauseaFuel: How the Titans retrieve Raven's gem during Geoff Johns' "Family Lost" arc: [[spoiler:The stone had been swallowed by Brother Blood, so Beast Boy shapeshifts into a worm and forces himself down the villain's throat, causing him to vomit. The gem, still covered in blood and bile, is then stuck on Raven's forehead]].

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** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only person who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character".

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** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only person who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, who still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character".



** The second ComicBook/WonderGirl, Cassie Sandsmark, was felt to be this after she became team leader in ''Teen Titans'' volume 3. While talked up as a leader by the writers, Cassie didn't really do all that much and more page time was often given to her acting obnoxiously condescending or being a {{Jerkass}} to her boyfriend. Fans also felt insulted when Felicia Henderson brought Beast Boy back to the team: Rather than give him his leader role back, Henderson had Cassie continue to be leader while lacking any character development, while the older and more experienced Gar was demoted to obnoxious comic relief and treated as if he were younger.

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** The second ComicBook/WonderGirl, Cassie Sandsmark, was felt to be this after she became team leader in ''Teen Titans'' volume 3. While talked up as a leader by the writers, Cassie didn't really do all that much and more page time was often given to her acting obnoxiously condescending or being a {{Jerkass}} to her boyfriend. Fans also felt insulted when Felicia Henderson brought Beast Boy back to the team: Rather than give him his leader role back, Henderson had Cassie continue to be leader while lacking any character development, while the older and more experienced Gar was demoted to obnoxious comic relief and treated as if he were younger.



* DracoInLeatherPants:
** Deathstroke and the original Terra mostly share this reception.
** The '80s villain Eric Forrester has also gotten this treatment from a few fans and fanworks, despite the fact that he only wanted the power of Raven's soul-self and didn't really love her, as well as attempting to rape her. His supporters use the in-story reasoning that Eric was trying to save his humanity with his using of women for their souls, while turning him into a misunderstood nice guy that should date Raven.

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DracoInLeatherPants: The '80s villain Eric Forrester has also gotten this treatment from a few fans and fanworks, despite the fact that he only wanted the power of Raven's soul-self and didn't really love her, as well as attempting to rape her. His supporters use the in-story reasoning that Eric was trying to save his humanity with his using of women for their souls, while turning him into a misunderstood nice guy that should date Raven.Raven.
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: An odd case with any Teen Titans team formed with members of the [=YJ4=] (Tim Drake, Bart Allen, Cassie Sandsmark, and Conner Kent): Creator/PeterDavid's ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' book did not create any of these characters, but he wrote their initial interactions, chemistry, and helped introduce a huge number of fans to them and comics. Especially Wonder Girl; Cassie was TheScrappy to a large number of people until Peter David made her popular enough to [[EnsembleDarkhorse win a fan held election for leader.]] If you look at the entries on this page for Geoff Johns, you can see part of the problem.

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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: An odd case with any Teen Titans team formed with members of the [=YJ4=] (Tim Drake, Bart Allen, Cassie Sandsmark, and Conner Kent): Creator/PeterDavid's ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' book did not create any of these characters, but he wrote their initial interactions, chemistry, and helped introduce a huge number of fans to them and comics. Especially Wonder Girl; Cassie was TheScrappy to a large number of people until Peter David made her popular enough to [[EnsembleDarkhorse win a fan held election for leader.]] If you look at the entries on this page for Geoff Johns, you can see part of the problem.leader. Subsequent writers failed to replicate David's style, leading to runs with mixed (Geoff Johns') or outright negative reception (Scott Lobdell's).



** Fringe from the above run is also hated, for lacking personality and never being as developed. Unlike Prysm, it's hard to find fans that can tolerate him.

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** Fringe from the above Jurgens' run is also hated, hated for lacking personality and never being as developed. Unlike Prysm, it's hard to find fans that can tolerate him.



** Deathstroke's Titans team qualifies for this status as well. They are even more so ignored than Fringe and Minion, who are at least mentioned in nostalgic regard when discussing the past Titans team, whereas Slade's team of mercenaries is completely ignored save for when someone is mentioning a member that was already a Titan (Roy, Osiris) or associated with the group (Cheshire, Deathstroke). Anything beyond that is liable to be overly critical ranting about how much that run on the book sucked.

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** Deathstroke's Titans team qualifies for this status as well. They are even more so ignored than Fringe and Minion, who are at least mentioned in nostalgic regard when discussing the past Titans team, whereas Slade's team of mercenaries is completely ignored save for when someone is mentioning a member that was already a Titan (Roy, Osiris) or associated with the group (Cheshire, Deathstroke). Anything beyond that is liable to be overly critical ranting about how much that run on the book sucked.Deathstroke).



** Flamebird. After the first Crisis, the original Bat-Girl no longer existed and Barbara Gordon was deemed to be the original. When Marv Wolfman and George Perez decided to revamp the Titans West team for the Post-Crisis origins of the Teen Titans, Betty Kane was reintroduced as Mary Elizabeth (''"Bette"'') Kane, now with the codename Flamebird and a ValleyGirl with [[StalkerWithACrush a strong desire to get the affections and praise of Nightwing in any way]]. As Wolfman had no love for the Titans West save for Lilith and Changeling, the portrayals of the revamped versions, ESPECIALLY Bette, earned them spots high on the Titans "Scrappy" list. Flamebird wound up as a ButtMonkey-type character for years to come, even though some writers attempted to make her seem more interesting through [[InformedAbility "depths"]] in her origin (stating her physical prowess and skills that rarely seemed to be reflected). Geoff Johns started a more streamlined take on the character in the ''Beast Boy'' mini-series, and it seemed that Greg Rucka was attempting [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap to revise her into a much more competent heroine]]. The ComicBook/New52 pressed the ResetButton via the ''Batwoman'' series, as Bette now lost most of her established history (and previous upgrade), making her come off nearly TooStupidToLive and get mutilated by an enemy. She's later appeared to have gone back on track to a darker and more serious revamp in her costume, but time will tell if this change is successful.

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** Flamebird. After the first Crisis, the original Bat-Girl no longer existed and Barbara Gordon was deemed to be the original. When Marv Wolfman and George Perez decided to revamp the Titans West team for the Post-Crisis origins of the Teen Titans, Betty Kane was reintroduced as Mary Elizabeth (''"Bette"'') Kane, now with the codename Flamebird and a ValleyGirl with [[StalkerWithACrush a strong desire to get the affections and praise of Nightwing in any way]]. As Wolfman had no love for the Titans West save for Lilith and Changeling, the portrayals of the revamped versions, ESPECIALLY Bette, earned them spots high on the Titans "Scrappy" list. Flamebird wound up as a ButtMonkey-type character for years to come, even though some writers attempted to make her seem more interesting through [[InformedAbility "depths"]] in her origin (stating her physical prowess and skills that rarely seemed to be reflected). Geoff Johns started a more streamlined take on the character in the ''Beast Boy'' mini-series, and it seemed that Greg Rucka was attempting [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap to revise her into a much more competent heroine]]. The ComicBook/New52 pressed the ResetButton via the ''Batwoman'' series, as Bette now lost most of her established history (and previous upgrade), making her come off nearly TooStupidToLive and get mutilated by an enemy. She's later appeared to have gone back on track to a darker and more serious revamp in her costume, but time will tell if this change is successful.costume.



** The Wolfman run suffered from this after George Perez departed as this sent a number of shockwaves throughout the book, including a huge increase in Wangst, repeated arcs, Deathstroke being EasilyForgiven, and the much reviled [[CreatorsPet Danny]] [[TheScrappy Chase]].

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** The Wolfman run suffered from this after George Perez departed departed, as this sent a number of shockwaves throughout the book, including a huge increase in Wangst, repeated arcs, Deathstroke being EasilyForgiven, and the much reviled [[CreatorsPet Danny]] [[TheScrappy Danny Chase]].



** The 2003-2011 run, while it became the second-longest run for the team, also suffered from this. While the Johns run caused a BrokenBase in the fanbase, most notably ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' fans felt their favourite superheroes were derailed for the purpose of "graduating" them to the Titans, several fans enjoyed the return of the book's original title and cast, but the novelty wound up wearing off fairly quickly, with the first 25 or so issues from that run being divisive at best. The book's quality went even further downhill with the ''One Year Later'' portion, after which Johns left the book. Not helping matters was how ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' seemingly made the Titans "[[CListFodder the heroes that it's okay to kill]]", further contributing to the team's fluctuating membership. The remainder of the series proved to be a slow decline, with characters being offed for no reason, being pointlessly DarkerAndEdgier (including an infamous story where a demonic Wonder Dog mauled the Wonder Twins leading to backlash from comics sites), [[TookALevelInJerkass characters acting like assholes]] for no reason, and the [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot few usable plotlines being wasted]]. The run ended with issue 100 and was replaced by the ''ComicBook/New52'' run, which unfortunately became a huge AudienceAlienatingEra of the title.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The Wolfman/Perez run gets a lot of this for modern readers. At the time, its focus on actual arcs and character development and dynamics made it indisputably one of DC's most successful books and helped modernize the company's storytelling considerably, giving it a fighting chance against Marvel in the later Bronze Age. Modern readers tend to wonder what all the fuss was about, comparing it unfavorably to later books with similar formulas, or even comics like Claremont's ''X-Men'' that were running at the same time. Few will acknowledge that George Perez's artwork was anything less than excellent, though.

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** The 2003-2011 run, while it became the second-longest run for the team, also suffered from this. While the Johns run caused a BrokenBase in the fanbase, BrokenBase, most notably due to ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' fans felt feeling their favourite superheroes were derailed for the purpose of "graduating" them to the Titans, several fans enjoyed the return of the book's original title and cast, but the novelty wound up wearing off fairly quickly, with the first 25 or so issues from that run being divisive at best. The book's quality went even further downhill with the ''One Year Later'' portion, after which Johns left the book. Not helping matters was how ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' seemingly made the Titans "[[CListFodder the heroes that it's okay to kill]]", further contributing to the team's fluctuating membership. The remainder of the series proved to be a slow decline, with characters being offed for no reason, being pointlessly DarkerAndEdgier (including an infamous story where a demonic Wonder Dog mauled the Wonder Twins leading to backlash from comics sites), [[TookALevelInJerkass characters acting like assholes]] for no reason, and the [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot few usable plotlines being wasted]]. The run ended with issue 100 and was replaced by the ''ComicBook/New52'' run, which unfortunately became a huge AudienceAlienatingEra of the title.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The Wolfman/Perez run gets a lot of this for modern readers. At the time, its run's focus on actual arcs and character development and dynamics made it indisputably one of DC's most successful books and helped modernize the company's storytelling considerably, giving it a fighting chance against Marvel in the later Bronze Age. Modern readers tend to wonder what all the fuss was about, comparing it unfavorably to later books with similar formulas, or even comics like Claremont's ''X-Men'' that were running at the same time. Few will acknowledge that George Perez's artwork was anything less than excellent, though.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra:
** In TheNineties, the franchise was swollen with difficulties until about 1998, when it finally decided to start RevisitingTheRoots and sprouted off both The Titans and ''ComicBook/YoungJustice''.
*** Between the [[KudzuPlot immense tangle of plot threads]] that [[PlotTumor erupted from the infamous "Titans Hunt" storyline]] and [[FourLinesAllWaiting clogged up the last six years of Wolfman's seminal run]], the [[WereStillRelevantDammit cringe-worthy attempts at being cool]], the [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece quickly outdated fashions]] and [[NinetiesAntiHero obnoxiously cynical attitudes]], and the editorial wrangling and {{Ass Pull}}s that yanked core characters in and out of the lineup, the inevitable GainaxEnding of the Wolfman run was something of a mercy killing.
*** The new [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom-led]] team of [[AlienEpisode H'sann Natall hybrid teenagers]] (from ''Teen Titans Vol. 2'', succeeding Wolfman's ''New Titans'') was very unpopular for having essentially nothing to do with [[PoorlyDisguisedPilot old Titans characters or lore]] with only some old fringe elements (the Psions, Loren Jupiter, Omen) to tie it in.
** Eric Wallace and Fabrizio Fiorentino's run is reviled, due to centering the story on Deathstroke's team of mercenaries and having excessive levels of {{Wangst}} and {{Gorn}} compared to any of the previous books.
** The New 52 era:
*** The Teen Titans are mocked ''in-universe'' by other creators. The first series was cancelled two and half years into its run, incidentally also driving the final nail into DC's Young Justice line, which at one point included teen heroes from three different comic universes. Unlikable characters, a lack of consistent pacing and logic, excessive fight scenes, ExecutiveMeddling, enough dropped subplots and characters to drive even die-hard fans away, drastic changes to once popular characters that turned them toxic, and just weird creative choices (such as incorporating elements of Grant Morrison's ''ComicBook/DoomPatrol'' for some reason, but only on a superficial level) has this era branded as one of the worst in Titans history. It was relaunched with a new creative team, but this series didn't fair much better, for the same reasons as the first, and limped along until ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', when a new ''Teen Titans'' series was launched. Said series implicitly references the New 52 Teen Titans and jabs at how much they sucked.
*** The only characters from the original team who initially existed were Nightwing and Arsenal, and it was explicitly said that they were never members of the Teen Titans. Garth would later be introduced as an infant, before being retconned as a racist Atlantean, while Donna Troy was reintroduced as a man-hating version of Wonder Woman who was ''killed'', and Wally West was reintroduced years down the line as a {{Race Lift}}ed 13-year-old delinquent with none of the traits of the original Wally. None of these changes were popular, leading Dan Abnett to {{Retcon}} the series by saying that there ''was'' an original Teen Titans and removing the negatively received traits of Garth and Donna, before ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' brought back the Pre-New 52 Wally West.
** The Ben Percy run on ''Rebirth''-era ''Teen Titans'' started with Damian ''kidnapping'' his teammates and demanding they join him, the Titans inexplicably tolerating his lousy attitude and treatment, a painfully flanderized version of Beast Boy, and Raven and [=NuWally=] being StrangledByTheRedString.



* DorkAge:
** TheNineties hit the Titans like a truck, and then backed up to rub it in. The franchise was swollen with difficulties until about 1998, when it finally decided to start RevisitingTheRoots and sprouted off both The Titans and ''ComicBook/YoungJustice''.
*** Between the [[KudzuPlot immense tangle of plot threads]] that [[PlotTumor erupted from the infamous "Titans Hunt" storyline]] and [[FourLinesAllWaiting clogged up the last six years of Wolfman's seminal run]], the [[WereStillRelevantDammit cringe-worthy attempts at being cool]], the [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece quickly outdated fashions]] and [[NinetiesAntiHero obnoxiously cynical attitudes]], and the editorial wrangling and {{Ass Pull}}s that yanked core characters in and out of the lineup, the inevitable GainaxEnding of the Wolfman run was something of a mercy killing.
*** The new [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom-led]] team of [[AlienEpisode H'sann Natall hybrid teenagers]] (from ''Teen Titans Vol. 2'', succeeding Wolfman's ''New Titans'') was very unpopular for having essentially nothing to do with [[PoorlyDisguisedPilot old Titans characters or lore]] with only some old fringe elements (the Psions, Loren Jupiter, Omen) to tie it in.
** Many fans believe Geoff Johns helped derail the team into a longer-lasting era of poor quality, if not being the main cause. Opinions over this vary a lot more, and whether the Dork Age began in Johns' own run or not, but Felicia Henderson's part of Volume 3 is seldom ever liked.
** None have been yet so reviled as Deathstroke's team of mercenaries, under Eric Wallace and Fabrizio Fiorentino. Compared to the levels of {{Wangst}} and {{Gorn}} any previous book may have had, Wallace somehow managed to turn it UpToEleven.
** The New 52 Teen Titans are this ''in spades'', to the point of being mocked ''in-universe'' by other creators. The first series was cancelled two and half years into its run, incidentally also driving the final nail into DC's Young Justice line, which at one point included teen heroes from three different comic universes. Unlikable characters, a lack of consistent pacing and logic, excessive fight scenes, ExecutiveMeddling, enough dropped subplots and characters to drive even die-hard fans away, drastic changes to once popular characters that turned them toxic, and just weird creative choices (such as incorporating elements of Grant Morrison's ''ComicBook/DoomPatrol'' for some reason, but only on a superficial level) has this era branded as one of the worst in Titans history. It was relaunched with a new creative team, but this series didn't fair much better, for the same reasons as the first, and limped along until ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', when a new ''Teen Titans'' series was launched. Said series implicitly references the New 52 Teen Titans and jabs at how much they sucked.
** The New 52 era was also a big Dork Age for the original Teen Titans. The only characters who initially existed were Nightwing and Arsenal, and Arsenal had his own problems, and it was explicitly said that this team did not exist as the Teen Titans. Garth would later be introduced as an infant, meaning he wouldn't be in any shape to be Aqualad or Tempest... before being reintroduced ''again'' as a racist Atlantean. Donna Troy was reintroduced as a man-hating version of Wonder Woman who was ''killed''. And Wally West was reintroduced years down the line as a {{Race Lift}}ed 13-year-old delinquent with essentially none of the traits of the original Wally and loads of UnfortunateImplications surrounding his character. Needless to say, none of these changes were popular, and the original generation of Titans got the shaft big time. Dan Abnett would later Retcon the hell out of the team, saying that there ''was'' an original Teen Titans, and removing the negatively received traits of Garth and Donna, while ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' would bring back the Pre-New 52 Wally West.
** The Ben Percy run on ''Rebirth''-era ''Teen Titans'' is also frequently considered this, which started with Damian ''kidnapping'' his teammates and demanding they join him, the Titans inexplicably tolerating his lousy attitude and treatment, a painfully flanderized version of Beast Boy, and Raven and [=NuWally=] being StrangledByTheRedString.



** Minion from Wolfman's ''New Titans'' is either hated or ignored by most fans due to the fact that he came in during a DorkAge, and that he seemed to be pushed in as a cool new teenage character but lacked interesting traits.

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** Minion from Wolfman's ''New Titans'' is either hated or ignored by most fans due to the fact that he came in during a DorkAge, an AudienceAlienatingEra, and that he seemed to be pushed in as a cool new teenage character but lacked interesting traits.



** The 2003-2011 run, while it became the second-longest run for the team, also suffered from this. While the Johns run caused a BrokenBase in the fanbase, most notably ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' fans felt their favourite superheroes were derailed for the purpose of "graduating" them to the Titans, several fans enjoyed the return of the book's original title and cast, but the novelty wound up wearing off fairly quickly, with the first 25 or so issues from that run being divisive at best. The book's quality went even further downhill with the ''One Year Later'' portion, after which Johns left the book. Not helping matters was how ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' seemingly made the Titans "[[CListFodder the heroes that it's okay to kill]]", further contributing to the team's fluctuating membership. The remainder of the series proved to be a slow decline, with characters being offed for no reason, being pointlessly DarkerAndEdgier (including an infamous story where a demonic Wonder Dog mauled the Wonder Twins leading to backlash from comics sites), [[TookALevelInJerkass characters acting like assholes]] for no reason, and the [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot few usable plotlines being wasted]]. The run ended with issue 100 and was replaced by the ''ComicBook/New52'' run, which unfortunately became a huge DorkAge of the title.

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** The 2003-2011 run, while it became the second-longest run for the team, also suffered from this. While the Johns run caused a BrokenBase in the fanbase, most notably ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' fans felt their favourite superheroes were derailed for the purpose of "graduating" them to the Titans, several fans enjoyed the return of the book's original title and cast, but the novelty wound up wearing off fairly quickly, with the first 25 or so issues from that run being divisive at best. The book's quality went even further downhill with the ''One Year Later'' portion, after which Johns left the book. Not helping matters was how ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' seemingly made the Titans "[[CListFodder the heroes that it's okay to kill]]", further contributing to the team's fluctuating membership. The remainder of the series proved to be a slow decline, with characters being offed for no reason, being pointlessly DarkerAndEdgier (including an infamous story where a demonic Wonder Dog mauled the Wonder Twins leading to backlash from comics sites), [[TookALevelInJerkass characters acting like assholes]] for no reason, and the [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot few usable plotlines being wasted]]. The run ended with issue 100 and was replaced by the ''ComicBook/New52'' run, which unfortunately became a huge DorkAge AudienceAlienatingEra of the title.



* VindicatedByHistory: Dan Jurgens' run was considered to be a DorkAge after the 16-year Wolfman run ended but nowadays has since been considered to be a good run held back by the fans' difficulty with accepting a group of entirely new characters carrying the title of such a beloved team.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Dan Jurgens' run was considered to be a DorkAge an AudienceAlienatingEra after the 16-year Wolfman run ended but nowadays has since been considered to be a good run held back by the fans' difficulty with accepting a group of entirely new characters carrying the title of such a beloved team.
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** Several major female characters introduced under Marv Wolfman's pen have become this for lurching back and forth between sympathetic moral ambiguity and straight-up CartoonishSupervillainy, which leaves fans arguing about [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation how these characters should be interpreted]] and where they fall on the SlidingScaleOfAntagonistVileness.
*** Tara "Terra" Markov, whose HeelFaceTurn quickly became a "personal project" of Garfield Logan's. Despite her abrasive Too Cool for School attitude and ''very'' dubious backstory, she was determined to insinuate herself within the ranks of the Titans and learn everything she could about them, which was a blatant red flag for everyone not named Garfield. On the other hand, as she would sporadically open up to the Titans herself, whenever she ''did'' receive the trust of her allies, notably Kid Flash and Cyborg, she was always subject to surprisingly innocent disbelief. She tread that fine line until ''Comicbook/TheJudasContract'', which saw her make good on her spying as both a traitor and ''Deathstroke's bedmate'' (contrasting her newly romantic intimacy with Garfield). During the final showdown, the sight of Slade ([[DemonicPossession apparently]]) betraying her inspires her to go JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and [[PersonOfMassDestruction she brings the house down]]... inadvertently on herself. Even in the midst of the narrative and some WordOfGod accusing her of being both pure evil and crazy, there's still a very distinct element of a lost little girl looking for love. Hell, her sympathetic traits resulted in her being so popular that the fan perception of her FaceHeelTurn led to death threats against the creative team.
*** Raven, who famously struggled to fight off her father's evil influence, only to inevitably collapse under the pressure and become evil herself. The interesting issue is that both major incarnations of "Evil Raven" are actually ''different characters''. The first is the SoullessShell of Raven's body serving as one of Trigon's PeoplePuppets, and serves as Trigon's herald (Raven's real personality in the form of her soul-self was absent); the second was Raven's soul-self after undergoing TheCorruption and becoming a DepravedBisexual and {{Horny Devil|s}}, whose plan was to bring her deceased brethren back to life by essentially impregnating victims with "Trigon Seeds" -- soon, Raven's plans expanded to include using the alien Psions to assault and ultimately ''destroy'' the planet of Tamaran. It was eventually revealed that this second Evil Raven was being vaguely manipulated and ultimately defeated by a leftover "good" portion of Raven's soul hiding in Kory's body (who forgave her after all was said and done).
*** Cheshire, who is notable for being a starker, more extreme take on the pattern established by Terra. Cheshire was a mercenary, in a LoveTriangle with both Slade and one of the Titans (Roy Harper, in this case), with a confused but poignant moral streak[[note]]Taking contracts to incite racial conflict and then sabotaging her clients, her attachment to Roy as the father of her child and the man who raised her -- Family, if not "love", was a big thing with early Cheshire[[/note]]... who then gets a big arc in the pages of ''Deathstroke'' with both men in her LoveTriangle, in which she also goes JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope during the climax, and nukes the nation of Qurac to prove she can be one of the "big players".
*** It should be noted here that early commentary by Wolfman indicates Terra was cast as the true villain of The Judas Contract to make his CreatorsPet Deathstroke look better, which given the similarities seems to have been the same motivation behind Cheshire's behavior in the 90s. Gail Simone, a later writer, takes the position that the Qurac bombing indicates Cheshire is a sociopath who loves her children so long as it's useful to her.

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* BizarroEpisode: "[[AddedAlliterativeAppeal A Titanic Tale of Titans' Tomfoolery!]]" has the MadScientist Igor Igorigorigorivich try to discover the Titans' secrets by abducting Marv Wolfman and George Pérez from the real world. The duo manages to defeat him by pressing a [[AssPull "Roast the mad scientist" button]], and return to the real world by [[BreakingTheFourthWall noting they are on the last page and the story can't end with them stuck on the Titans' universe]]. This short is meant to be nonsensical, as the credits plainly state that "Nobody's taking the blame for this one!", and much of the humour stems from jokes at the expense of [[SelfDeprecation WolfMan's ego, Pérez's physical appearance]] or [[BitingTheHandHumor the immaturity of DC's editors]].
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** On more than one occasion during The New Teen Titans era, Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} would let Jericho, whose power was to [[BodySurf possess people]], possess him with the words: [[http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk8uz27EK01qc7r93o1_400.png "Joey, get inside me!"]]
** [[http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98764/1899884-loves_dick.jpg Here Starfire yells]] "I love Dick! Dick! I love Dick!" Referring to [[ComicBook/{{Robin}} Dick Grayson]], of course.

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** On more than one occasion during The New Teen Titans era, Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} would let Jericho, whose power was to [[BodySurf possess people]], possess him with the words: [[http://30.[[https://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk8uz27EK01qc7r93o1_400.png "Joey, get inside me!"]]
** [[http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98764/1899884-loves_dick.[[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/9/98764/1899884-loves_dick.jpg Here Starfire yells]] "I love Dick! Dick! I love Dick!" Referring to [[ComicBook/{{Robin}} Dick Grayson]], of course.



*** John Bryne's unpopular erasure of the Doom Patrol's past was undone thanks to a battle with Superboy Prime.
*** Resurrecting Jerico with his original, pre HeelFaceTurn personality.

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*** John Bryne's Byrne's unpopular erasure of the Doom Patrol's past was undone thanks to a battle with Superboy Prime.
*** Resurrecting Jerico Jericho with his original, pre HeelFaceTurn personality.



** While the age gap between Donna Troy and Terry Long has bee criticized due to Donna being 19 at the time and Terry being much older, Donna was a photographer, not one of Terry's students.

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** While the age gap between Donna Troy and Terry Long has bee been criticized due to Donna being 19 at the time and Terry being much older, Donna was a photographer, not one of Terry's students.



* CondemnedByHistory: Over the years the relationship between Donna Troy and Terry Long was been met with condemation due to the fact Donna was 19 and Terry was at least ten years older and the fact he was a divorcee and already had a kid with his ex-wife and the fact they got married and had a kid after a short courtship led many to consider it a slap in the fact to Wonder Woman's status as a feminist icon.

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* CondemnedByHistory: Over the years the relationship between Donna Troy and Terry Long was been met with condemation condemnation due to the fact Donna was 19 and Terry was at least ten years older and the fact he was a divorcee and already had a kid with his ex-wife and the fact they got married and had a kid after a short courtship led many to consider it a slap in the fact to Wonder Woman's status as a feminist icon.



** Wolfman made extensive use of The Wildebeest, giving him had no less than three personal arcs, but the Wildebeest's design was an absolute favorite of editor Jordan Peterson's, who wanted Wildebeest to figure both into the tenth anniversary event that became Titans Hunt and even have a Wildebeest character join the heroes.

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** Wolfman made extensive use of The Wildebeest, giving him had no less than three personal arcs, but the Wildebeest's design was an absolute favorite of editor Jordan Peterson's, who wanted Wildebeest to figure both into the tenth anniversary event that became Titans Hunt and even have a Wildebeest character join the heroes.



* ItWasHisSled: Terra being TheMole, and her general [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] nature. That arc is one of the most well-remembered arcs in the comics run, one of the most influential arcs in comic book history, and it helped make the series so popular in the 80s. When a [[ComicBook/TinyTitans kids comic]] spoils this in the characters first appearance, you know that its his sled. The cartoon adaptation helped renew this spoiler, thanks to Terra's popularity (though ''that'' Terra was [[BrokenBird vastly different from]] [[PsychoForHire the original Terra]]).

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* ItWasHisSled: Terra being TheMole, and her general [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] nature. That arc is one of the most well-remembered arcs in the comics run, one of the most influential arcs in comic book history, and it helped make the series so popular in the 80s. When a [[ComicBook/TinyTitans kids comic]] spoils this in the characters first appearance, you know that its it's his sled. The cartoon adaptation helped renew this spoiler, thanks to Terra's popularity (though ''that'' Terra was [[BrokenBird vastly different from]] [[PsychoForHire the original Terra]]).



** Terry Long, for being considerably older than Donna, coming off as creepy, and his tendency to make blatant passes at her friends. He actually became even more of a JerkAss in the '90s, before he was killed off in John Byrne's run of Wonder Woman.

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** Terry Long, for being considerably older than Donna, coming off as creepy, and his tendency to make making a blatant passes pass at her friends.friend Kory. He actually became even more of a JerkAss in the '90s, before he was killed off in John Byrne's run of Wonder Woman.



** Cassandra Sandsmark, she came off like a raging AlphaBitch after her boyfriend's death. It's worse when you remember that she started out as her school's lovable geek. Her New 52 version has similar controversy, but is also hated for being a thief, being "overtly sexualized" and having her connection with Wonder Woman only recognizeable to readers of Wondie's book (she's the daughter of Diana's half-brother, i.e. the niece of Wonder Woman, though neither of them know about it as of now).

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** Cassandra Sandsmark, she came off like a raging AlphaBitch after her boyfriend's death. It's worse when you remember that she started out as her school's lovable geek. Her New 52 version has similar controversy, but is also hated for being a thief, being "overtly sexualized" and having her connection with Wonder Woman only recognizeable recognizable to readers of Wondie's book (she's the daughter of Diana's half-brother, i.e. the niece of Wonder Woman, though neither of them know about it as of now).



** ...Though the return of the subplot in the New 52 only reignited the fan rage. To the series credit, the first few issues did establish UnresolvedSexualTension between the two and succeeding issues suggested that the romance would be approached slowly and with an organic approach. Then [[AssPull issue #17 happened]]. First, [[DoggedNiceGuy Tim Drake]] kissed Solstice from out of nowhere, even though he knows she's in a relationship with Kid Flash. Then, on the next page, it's heavily implied [[ChasteHero he]] and Wonder Girl have sex, and have had sex before. And the last page reveals that [[BrainwashedAndCrazy something's very wrong with Tim]]. Later issues reveal that Trigon was manipulating him, but the writer tried to write the situation under the rug by saying he was only enhancing Tim's desires. Unfortunately, that still meant he took a famously chaste hero like Tim, forced him to have sex under the influence (ie. rape) with his LoveInterest, and then to add salt to the wound, Wonder Girl was then shown trying to get with Superboy (probably her most popular suitor) to get past the fling, Solstice promptly forgot the whole event, and everyone was written poorly for seven or eight more issues before they were cancelled.

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** ...Though the return of the subplot in the New 52 only reignited the fan rage. To the series credit, the first few issues did establish UnresolvedSexualTension between the two and succeeding issues suggested that the romance would be approached slowly and with an organic approach. Then [[AssPull issue #17 happened]]. First, [[DoggedNiceGuy Tim Drake]] kissed Solstice from out of nowhere, even though he knows she's in a relationship with Kid Flash. Then, on the next page, it's heavily implied [[ChasteHero he]] and Wonder Girl have sex, and have had sex before. And the last page reveals that [[BrainwashedAndCrazy something's very wrong with Tim]]. Later issues reveal that Trigon was manipulating him, but the writer tried to write the situation under the rug by saying he was only enhancing Tim's desires. Unfortunately, that still meant he took a famously chaste hero like Tim, forced him to have sex under the influence (ie.(i.e. rape) with his LoveInterest, and then to add salt to the wound, Wonder Girl was then shown trying to get with Superboy (probably her most popular suitor) to get past the fling, Solstice promptly forgot the whole event, and everyone was written poorly for seven or eight more issues before they were cancelled.
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* OneSceneWonder: Lord Damyn ([[TheMagnificent High of Highs, Best of Best]]) is a supporting character who only ever appears in two issues (#24 and #25) of ''The New Teen Titans''. [[LaughablyEvil He]] [[NotSoHarmlessVillain makes]] quite [[NiceHat an]] [[CloudCuckoolander impression,]] [[ImAHumanitarian though.]]

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* OneSceneWonder: Lord Damyn ([[TheMagnificent High of Highs, Best of Best]]) is a supporting character who only ever appears in two issues (#24 and #25) of ''The New Teen Titans''. [[LaughablyEvil He]] [[NotSoHarmlessVillain makes]] quite [[NiceHat an]] an [[CloudCuckoolander impression,]] [[ImAHumanitarian though.]]
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Dan Jurgens' series from 1996 replaced all of the cast members from New Teen Titans with new characters and inexplicably turned The Atom into a teenager. Fans of the classic team were outraged at seeing their favorites replaced by new characters, while newer fans were unimpressed by Jurgens' excessive use of TotallyRadical slang, and were put off by the premise that all of the new Titans were the product of aliens interbreeding with humans.

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* JerkassWoobie: Roy Harper murdered a supervillain, turned his back on his friends, went back on heroin, and joined Deathstroke's mercenary team for the chance to kill Deathstroke. But considering that his right arm had been hacked off, was given a prosthetic which actually causes more pain and impairs his abilities as an archer, and his daughter, Lian, died, it's hard not to feel sorry for him. This is magnified by how out-of-character his friends and family acted during ''Rise of Arsenal'', and by how his joining Deathstroke's Titans was mainly due to Cheshire, Lian's mother, guilt tripping him into joining by saying that he "owed" her for Lian's death.



* TheWoobie:
** Kid Devil, who was on the team during the era of "One Year Later". He has the most pathetic back story prior to joining the team, and ends up getting the worst treatment after.
** JerkassWoobie: Yes, Roy Harper murdered a supervillain, turned his back on his friends, went back on heroin, and joined Deathstroke's mercenary team for the chance to kill Deathstroke. But considering that his right arm had been hacked off, was given a prosthetic which actually causes more pain and impairs his abilities as an archer, and his daughter, Lian, died, it's hard not to feel sorry for him. This is magnified by how out-of-character his friends and family acted during ''Rise of Arsenal'', and by how his joining Deathstroke's Titans was mainly due to Cheshire, Lian's mother, guilt tripping him into joining by saying that he "owed" her for Lian's death.

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TheWoobie: Kid Devil, who was on the team during the era of "One Year Later". He has the most pathetic back story prior to joining the team, and ends up getting the worst treatment after.
** JerkassWoobie: Yes, Roy Harper murdered a supervillain, turned his back on his friends, went back on heroin, and joined Deathstroke's mercenary team for * {{Woolseyism}}: Azar is called Azur in the chance to kill Deathstroke. But considering Portuguese translation, as her original name coincidentally means "bad luck" in that his right arm had been hacked off, was given a prosthetic which actually causes more pain and impairs his abilities as an archer, and his daughter, Lian, died, it's hard not to feel sorry for him. This is magnified by how out-of-character his friends and family acted during ''Rise of Arsenal'', and by how his joining Deathstroke's Titans was mainly due to Cheshire, Lian's mother, guilt tripping him into joining by saying that he "owed" her for Lian's death.language.
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* WhatAnIdiot
** When Raven first came to Earth, to warn about the arrival of Trigon, she asked the Justice League for help. They rejected her, because Zatanna checked her and sensed a great evil power within her.\\
'''You'd expect''': that Raven simply clarifies that she is the daughter of Trigon. That he's pure evil, but she is not. She wouldn't be the first hero with an ArchnemesisDad, or the first [[BadPowersGoodPeople good person with bad powers]].\\
'''Instead''': She simply leaves, considers the JLA a hopeless case, and creates a new group instead, the Teen Titans. But even then...\\
'''Now you'd expect''': That she would explain things honestly this time.\\
'''Instead''': She keeps the Titans in the dark as much as she did with the JLA. And using her powers to make Kid Flash fall in love with her so that he joins the group is definitely [[NotHelpingYourCase not helping her case]].\\
'''Result:''' Both teams walk away from her when the truth comes to light. They only come back when Trigon is already here.
** Shimmer can change matter at will. She also says that she's not interested in fighting superheros, just to get rich.\\
'''You'd expect:''' that, with her power, she simply turns some mundane items into gold, some others into platinum, and some others into priceless jewels, and that's it: she's as rich as she may want to be.\\
'''Instead:''' She has such an awesome power... and wastes it in [[BankRobbery Bank Robberies]].

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* {{Narm}}:
** Lian Harper's funeral. The entire superhero community shows up, in their brightly colored costumes.
** Harvest. It's hard to take a "Darkseid level threat" seriously when his plans are transparently idiotic.
** The first issue of the New 52 series has Tim holding a picture of him and Bruce swinging through Gotham. It looks cool, until you question how he even got that picture. Seriously, did they pose for it? It outright ''looks'' like a comic book cover.

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{{Narm}}: Lian Harper's funeral. The entire superhero community shows up, in their brightly colored costumes.
** Harvest. It's hard to take a "Darkseid level threat" seriously when his plans are transparently idiotic.
** The first issue of the New 52 series has Tim holding a picture of him and Bruce swinging through Gotham. It looks cool, until you question how he even got that picture. Seriously, did they pose for it? It outright ''looks'' like a comic book cover.
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* InNameOnly: The New 52 team gets accusations like this for some of its characters.
** Wonder Girl had zero connection to Wonder Woman until her father was revealed to be demigod from the Greek pantheon. She's completely unaware of this, though, so there's still no reason why she calls herself Wonder Girl beyond trademark purposes.
** Solstice received an overhaul that rendered her unrecognizable and left her with vague energy and shadow based powers. This despite being a brand new character.
** The New 52 version of Tim Drake is probably the most recent and biggest example of this for fans. For instance, his main role in the book is to be the expo speak guy who's a blatant {{Expy}} of Nightwing from the classic series, including the latter's Casanova approach towards women and winged costume. He also now has "Tim Drake" as an assumed name after being an idiot and bringing the Penguin's wrath down on his family, he didn't figure out who Batman was, has almost no down-to-earth ties anymore, and largely acts like a stupider, less sensitive parody of his former character. Instead of being a computer genius, his backstory was also tweaked to have him as a former athlete (which some believe furthers the Nightwing similarity, as Dick was an acrobat).
** And then we learn the origin of Bart Allen [[spoiler: a.k.a. "Bar Torr", a villainous and murderous revolutionary from the future with no connection to the Flash Family at all]]. To say that fans of Impulse were pissed would put it lightly.

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** The Wolfman Era:
*** Kory was forced into a political marriage during Crisis on Infinite Earths, but after she returned to Earth to be with the man she loved (Dick Grayson), her marriage was ultimately explained to be a glorified peace treaty and not a "traditional" marriage, presumably because the iconic Dick and Kory relationship being an act of adultery was a bit too much.
** The Johns' era.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Beast Boy, Kid Devil, Miss Martian and Ravager, especially in the 2000s books.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Terra. A sociopath who could not be helped, or a [[StepfordSmiler broken]] little girl who got mixed up with the wrong people and let her emotions get the better of her? Did she truly think the Teen Titans were her friends, even a little bit? Did she have feelings for Garfield? [[spoiler:[[DeathIsCheap Terra 2]], and her Black Lantern version, seems to have supported the alternate views]]. Also, was she [[HoistByHisOwnPetard hoisted by her own petard]] by accident, or did she commit suicide with the intention of doing so? Was she evil at heart, or did she just hate the hypocritical "goody two-shoes" nature of the Titans? Was her death fueled by drugs, contaminated drinking water, or was it natural?
** This is also another instance where the ambiguity only came later. Terra's evilness was the whole point of her character, and the narration during her death says, in no uncertain terms, that no one taught her to hate but herself.
*** Just prior to ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', there was a one-shot published that seemed to insinuate that Terra's psychotic behavior was the result of being drugged by Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}} (ala his kidnapping and brainwashing of [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]]).
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* ValuesDissonance: Marv Wolfman's old writing on specific aspects of sex in the ''New Teen Titans'' and ''New Titans'' has become painful on review--situations like Changeling harassing women or Mirage's "rivalry" with Starfire (in which she pretends to be Starfire to play a BedTrick on Dick Grayson or feature Starfire's body in adult magazines--essentially ''revenge porn'') are often written as if they were wacky hijinks.
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** Jay Faerber's scrapped plans to have Epsilon in his ''Titans'' run being Danny Chase could've been a RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap moment for him were it not for ExecutiveMeddling to nix it that prompted Faerber later leaving the title.
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** Thanks to the [[AdaptationDisplacement animated series]] introducing an entire generation to the Teen Titans, many fans will commonly refer to the main five characters used in the show (Robin, Starfire, Cyborg, Raven and Beast Boy) as being the "classic" lineup. This despite the fact that this core lineup has ''never actually existed'' outside animation -- the only time all five members were on the team together was in the early Wolfman-Perez era, and even then it had Wonder Girl and Kid Flash on top of that. In reality, the Teen Titans have had [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters dozens of different members]] that would go in and out, and there would be entire runs without any of the "Big Five". Even when DC brought back the Teen Titans to capitalize on the show, the lineup was ''still'' different what it portrayed (It started with Cyborg, Starfire and Beast Boy, and it had a Robin -- but that was Tim Drake, and it also featured Superboy, Kid Flash II, and Wonder Girl II on top of that). It's so ingrained in the minds of the public that stories that ''don't'' feature close recreations of this lineup will inevitably be criticized for it.

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** Thanks to the [[AdaptationDisplacement animated series]] introducing an entire generation to the Teen Titans, many fans will commonly refer to the main five characters used in the show (Robin, Starfire, Cyborg, Raven and Beast Boy) as being the "classic" lineup. This despite the fact that this core lineup has ''never actually existed'' outside animation -- the only time all five members were on the team together was in the early Wolfman-Perez era, and even then it had Wonder Girl and Kid Flash on top of that. In reality, the Teen Titans have had [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters dozens of different members]] members that would go in and out, and there would be entire runs without any of the "Big Five". Even when DC brought back the Teen Titans to capitalize on the show, the lineup was ''still'' different what it portrayed (It started with Cyborg, Starfire and Beast Boy, and it had a Robin -- but that was Tim Drake, and it also featured Superboy, Kid Flash II, and Wonder Girl II on top of that). It's so ingrained in the minds of the public that stories that ''don't'' feature close recreations of this lineup will inevitably be criticized for it.
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* DesignatedVillain: Steve Dayton in the opening of ''Burning Rage'' #4, for having closed his ''privately-owned'' theme park to allow the main characters (his son Garfield Logan and friends) free use of it for Gar's birthday... and for shutting everybody else out. Now, while the guy could've handled how he closed the park better -- it's ambiguous whether his refund of the already paid-for tickets was decided on the spot or automatic -- it was [[DisproportionateRetribution entirely out of line]] for [[DesignatedHero Starfire]] to knock the front gates down to let the crowds storm in, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality because she doesn't like 'bullies']]. Forget Steve Dayton "[[DissonantSerenity not appreciating]]" Starfire's actions, Starfire's lucky [[HeroInsurance he didn't slap her with a lawsuit]].

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* DesignatedVillain: Steve Dayton Dayton, Beast Boy's adoptive father, in the opening of ''Burning Rage'' #4, for having who has closed his ''privately-owned'' privately-owned theme park to allow let Beast Boy and the main characters (his son Garfield Logan and friends) free Titans use of it for Gar's birthday... free all day. This attracts a crowd of customers who demand to be let in, having brought tickets, but when Dayton refuses, [[DesignatedHero Starfire]] decides he's a bully and for shutting everybody else out. Now, while [[DisproportionateRetribution tears the guy could've gates down]] so the crowds can rush in. In reality, the only thing Dayton has done wrong is to maybe have handled how he closed the closing of the park better -- it's poorly--it's ambiguous whether his refund of the already paid-for tickets was decided on the spot or automatic -- it had already happened--in the middle of giving his son an objectively pricey gift[[note]]Between paying employees, maintaining rides, and performing custodial services, theme parks hemorrhage money daily (''e.g.'', Disneyland's operating costs are [[https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/business/how-much-costs-run-disneyland-for-day/ $3.25 million/day]])[[/note]] that Starfire was [[DisproportionateRetribution entirely out of line]] for [[DesignatedHero Starfire]] to knock the front gates down to let the crowds storm in, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality because she doesn't like 'bullies']]. Forget Steve Dayton "[[DissonantSerenity not appreciating]]" also benefitting from. Starfire's actions, Starfire's very lucky Dayton didn't [[HeroInsurance he didn't slap her with a lawsuit]].lawsuit]].
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*** Between the [[KudzuPlot immense tangle of plot threads]] that [[PlotTumor erupted from the infamous "Titans Hunt" storyline]] and [[FourLinesAllWaiting clogged up the last six years of Wolfman's seminal run]], the [[WereStillRelevantDammit cringe-worthy attempts at being cool]], the [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece quickly outdated fashions]] and [[NinetiesAntiHero obnoxiously cynical attitudes]], and the editorial wrangling and {{Shocking Swerve}}s that yanked core characters in and out of the lineup, the inevitable GainaxEnding of the Wolfman run was something of a mercy killing.

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*** Between the [[KudzuPlot immense tangle of plot threads]] that [[PlotTumor erupted from the infamous "Titans Hunt" storyline]] and [[FourLinesAllWaiting clogged up the last six years of Wolfman's seminal run]], the [[WereStillRelevantDammit cringe-worthy attempts at being cool]], the [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece quickly outdated fashions]] and [[NinetiesAntiHero obnoxiously cynical attitudes]], and the editorial wrangling and {{Shocking Swerve}}s {{Ass Pull}}s that yanked core characters in and out of the lineup, the inevitable GainaxEnding of the Wolfman run was something of a mercy killing.
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** Then came the dawn of the 90s; newly promoted editor Jonathan Peterson had come to the opinion that the current state of the Titans was too boring, too episodic, and had too many characters (especially the long-forgotten Golden Eagle), and so he had Wolfman start the 10th anniversary of his ''New Teen Titans'' run with the long, difficult to follow "ComicBook/TitansHunt" arc and the book began self-destructing, with [[{{Irony}} a ton of uninteresting and/or unlikable new characters being introduced]], loads of 90s clichés, chaotic storytelling and art, and tons of [[ShockingSwerve Shocking Swerves.]] After Cyborg got PutOnABusToHell, the book was left in shambles, with the team constantly changing and being interrupted by crossovers. By the end, many felt the ending to the run was a MercyKill.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The Team Titans had a lot of good potential on being the Titans equivalent of X-Force as originally planned only to suffer from poor writing and execution that cemented their status as a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] team and led to most of the team being {{retgone}}d as a result of ''ComicBook/ZeroHour''. It didn't help that their comic book was unfortunately affected by ExecutiveMeddling.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: There are fans who think the original plan for ''New Titans'' issue 100 in which Dick and Kory do get married would've worked better than the final version.
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*** The new [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom-led]] team of [[AlienEpisode H'sann Natall hybrid teenagers]] (from ''Teen Titans Vol. 2'', succeeding Wolfman's ''New Titans'') was very unpopular for [[SomethingCompletelyDifferent having essentially nothing to do]] with [[PoorlyDisguisedPilot old Titans characters or lore]] with only some old fringe elements (the Psions, Loren Jupiter, Omen) to tie it in.

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*** The new [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom-led]] team of [[AlienEpisode H'sann Natall hybrid teenagers]] (from ''Teen Titans Vol. 2'', succeeding Wolfman's ''New Titans'') was very unpopular for [[SomethingCompletelyDifferent having essentially nothing to do]] do with [[PoorlyDisguisedPilot old Titans characters or lore]] with only some old fringe elements (the Psions, Loren Jupiter, Omen) to tie it in.
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* FoeYay: Cheshire with both Roy Harper, the first Speedy, and Thomas Blake, aka Catman. She once propositioned Catman during a battle, not long after having hired two hit squads after him.
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* CommonKnowledge: Thanks to the [[AdaptationDisplacement animated series]] introducing an entire generation to the Teen Titans, many fans will commonly refer to the main five characters used in the show (Robin, Starfire, Cyborg, Raven and Beast Boy) as being the "classic" lineup. This despite the fact that this core lineup has ''never actually existed'' outside animation -- the only time all five members were on the team together was in the early Wolfman-Perez era, and even then it had Wonder Girl and Kid Flash on top of that. In reality, the Teen Titans have had [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters dozens of different members]] that would go in and out, and there would be entire runs without any of the "Big Five". Even when DC brought back the Teen Titans to capitalize on the show, the lineup was ''still'' different what it portrayed (It started with Cyborg, Starfire and Beast Boy, and it had a Robin -- but that was Tim Drake, and it also featured Superboy, Kid Flash II, and Wonder Girl II on top of that). It's so ingrained in the minds of the public that stories that ''don't'' feature close recreations of this lineup will inevitably be criticized for it.

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Thanks to the [[AdaptationDisplacement animated series]] introducing an entire generation to the Teen Titans, many fans will commonly refer to the main five characters used in the show (Robin, Starfire, Cyborg, Raven and Beast Boy) as being the "classic" lineup. This despite the fact that this core lineup has ''never actually existed'' outside animation -- the only time all five members were on the team together was in the early Wolfman-Perez era, and even then it had Wonder Girl and Kid Flash on top of that. In reality, the Teen Titans have had [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters dozens of different members]] that would go in and out, and there would be entire runs without any of the "Big Five". Even when DC brought back the Teen Titans to capitalize on the show, the lineup was ''still'' different what it portrayed (It started with Cyborg, Starfire and Beast Boy, and it had a Robin -- but that was Tim Drake, and it also featured Superboy, Kid Flash II, and Wonder Girl II on top of that). It's so ingrained in the minds of the public that stories that ''don't'' feature close recreations of this lineup will inevitably be criticized for it.it.
** While the age gap between Donna Troy and Terry Long has bee criticized due to Donna being 19 at the time and Terry being much older, Donna was a photographer, not one of Terry's students.


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* CondemnedByHistory: Over the years the relationship between Donna Troy and Terry Long was been met with condemation due to the fact Donna was 19 and Terry was at least ten years older and the fact he was a divorcee and already had a kid with his ex-wife and the fact they got married and had a kid after a short courtship led many to consider it a slap in the fact to Wonder Woman's status as a feminist icon.

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