Misused (new crowner 15 January 2022): Wiki Tropes

Administrivia.Tips On Grammar and have Grammar redirect, and... hm, JustForFun.Wikipedia Regular? JustForFun.Wikipedia Behavior as other alternatives?

Edited by Tabs on Jan 8th 2022 at 1:31:21 AM

So, I have a couple of things to address regarding the rest of this thread's work (aside from any dewicking that's left):

• We still need a crowner to decide the name of the Wikipedia page, as I previously mentioned. These are some names we have so far (Main/ and JustForFun/ would be listed separately, similarly to what I did with Main/ and Administrivia/ on the current crowner, so we'd have twice as many options as I listed here):
  • Wikipedia Editor
  • Wikipedian Editor
  • Dr. Pedia and Mr. Trope
  • Wikipedia Regular
  • Wikipedia Behavior^note Wikipedia Behaviour would be a redirect if we went with this
  • Wikipedia Behaviour^note Wikipedia Behavior would be a redirect if we went with this
• The final crowner would be for whether the grammar page and the Wikipedia page should be indexed as Wiki Tropes. If dewicking is done by then, we'd close the thread (I haven't kept up with whether Main.Troper and Main.Describe Topic Here have been dewicked yet).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 10th 2022 at 9:25:04 AM

Just finished dewicking Troper (the only wicks left are for an archive page, a locked page I just requested an edit on, and You Know That Thing Where... somehow).

Double posting because I made Sandbox.Tips On Grammar for the merged page. To be honest, Main.Grammar is so poorly written that I only found one sentence I thought was worth salvaging for the merged page (the one about how we don't care about whether editors use American or Commonwealth spellings), so all other text was taken from Main.Tips On Grammar.

I'll still wait for more input before moving the sandbox to Administrivia.Tips On Grammar.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 12th 2022 at 7:19:27 AM

Re: Sandbox.Tips On Grammar. I'm going to make myself look like a fool, but perhaps there are some good points about the writing style.

• "Your contribution is more important to us than some minor spelling blunder". Unless there's a lot, at which point you get a notifier and later a suspension. Also, there could be a link to Get Help With English, since it can be useful and isn't private.
• That's a lot of question marks here for a tips segment. I'd remove the uncertain tone to keep it consistent with the rest of the page. Also either I'm stupid or "Than" here isn't comparing anything.

• "As a doctor, what would you say is my prognosis?" may need to be elaborated further on how it can be wrong and "considered acceptable" at the same time.
• The tips on the apostrophe aren't scary because of Wall of Text, but because they are not on the same indentation level as the rest of the page.
• "The sentence involving "Mary" isn't really clear. It would be clearer..." Why not make it clear to begin with? I also don't get how do you even buy "all of that cat", can you buy that cat partially? Also, I assume the following "However, the first..." part refers to this example, but it's placed separately.
• The rest is even worse to read because the same points are split with new lines for no reason.
  • "When in doubt, leave the apostrophe out." That's generally bad advice for someone who even bothered to read about grammar. It should probably be rephrased with the next sentence to explain that you don't have to worry about the apostrophe if you don't truncate "'s" and "'re".
  • "to get it right is to remember an apostrophe is to show something...". Does this sound correct?
  • "nothing has been left out of the word: enchiladas". Yeah no kidding, because it's a signal word instead of a noun and a verb, what point is this making?
  • I've though "its" is written without an apostrophe for the same reason you wouldn't write "he's" or "her's", not because it's exceptional.
  • Is "sesquipedalian" a commonly known word?
• I've discovered Tenses (and it's oddly named redirect, How Do I Used Tense?), is it related to grammar tips if it talks mostly about the English ones and has a note specific about the wiki?

Go ahead and make those changes.

As for why How Do I Used Tense? is a redirect to Tenses, it's because it used to be classified as a trope and was given a non-self-demonstrating name when it was turned into a Useful Note. (The redirect for the old name was moved from Main/ to UsefulNotes/ after that happened.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 12th 2022 at 10:03:54 AM

Thoughts? I hope I haven't been overthinking at some points.

I don't think you were overthinking it. I didn't see anything wrong with the changes.

I think Administrivia.Tips On Grammar looks good enough.

I am pretty sure no one wrote JustForFun.Wikipedia Behavior. I never wrote a JFF page before so I don’t think I can help with that one.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 20th 2022 at 4:19:47 AM

I can very messily integrate the two Wikipedia pages to JustForFun.Wikipedia Behavior.

I think Wikipedia Behavior looks fine with what's currently there. I added it to the Just for Fun index (it's already indexed under Self-Demonstrating Article).

Is Administrivia.Tips On Grammar ready? The only thing left after that page and JustForFun.Wikipedia Behavior is finishing cleanup for Describe Topic Here wicks.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 20th 2022 at 1:01:20 PM

Double posting because I copied text from Dr. Pedia and Mr. Trope to Wikipedia Behavior, and made a Wikipedia Behaviour redirect.

Edit: And wicks have been cleaned for the original Wikipedia pages since the text is now on the merged page.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 20th 2022 at 1:30:06 PM

Triple posting because I moved Sandbox.Tips On Grammar to Administrivia.Tips On Grammar and dewicked Main.Tips On Grammar and Main.Grammar since everyone seemed fine with it.

The last thing that needs to be done is moving the wicks for Main.Describe Topic Here to JustForFun.Describe Topic Here. One one hand, that part's harder than the two merges, but on the other hand, it's the last thing keeping this thread open.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 20th 2022 at 1:41:44 PM

Knocked down to 350.

I took care of the Main/ and Administrivia/ wicks (aside from TRS Wick Cleaning), which knocked it down to 260.

Down to 200!

Down to 104. Three of those are on archive pages and aren't going anywhere while another two are on maintenance-related pages (TRS Wick Cleaning and TRS Thread Tracker), so we might as well be below 100.