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11:34:11 PM Nov 27th 2013
  • Thou Shalt Not Kill: Super strong characters can pummel normal humans without fear of accidentally causing lasting damage. In fact, the game's assumption is that everyone deals nonlethal damage by default, and because of the way nonlethal damage works, it's literally impossible to accidentally kill someone. However, if you'd like a "darker" game, there are also detailed rules for lethal damage accompanying the "default" option, though this was taken away in 3rd Edition (with lip service paid to the old way as a possible house-rule in the book).
    • Lethal damage as an option is discussed in the 3rd Edition Gamemaster's Guide. As written, it's still not easy to outright kill a major character with a single attack (it'd take a fairly massive botch on the damage save to even reduce them to "dying but not dead yet", and having "instant" death is a separate option in its own right), but as discussed under One Hit Kill above Minions are fair game...and any damage inflicted by a source declared to be "lethal" takes a lot longer to recover from than the usual nonlethal default.

Thou Shalt Not Kill is about character morality, not system rules. There's got to be a better trope about attacks being normally nonlethal.
06:49:24 AM Nov 28th 2013
  • Non-Lethal K.O.: Covers the idea that death just doesn't happen even when punched by someone with super-strength.
  • Set Swords to Stun: Supposedly a video-game example, but has plenty of non-game examples, covers that, by default, lethal-seeming attacks won't kill people.
  • Non-Lethal Deadly Weapon: Probably not applicable, involves people in-universe treating something as lethal when it never proves to be.
  • As Lethal as It Needs to Be / Almost Lethal Weapons: Sometimes the lethal weapon is lethal, sometimes not depending on drama. The latter covers the minion rule in that whether you get killed depends on who you are

I suppose that, really, all of these could go on the page...
11:47:19 AM Mar 20th 2012
"Experience Points: "Power Points." In a refreshing change of pace from most RP Gs, they function identically to the points characters receive at character generation."

How is this a refreshing change of pace? This is normal for point based systems like GURPS and HERO. True most RP Gs don't do this, but most RP Gs aren't point based.
09:11:43 PM Mar 14th 2010
  • This became almost silly in one Paragons module; the writer created a character who could take over the world with a mind control virus while in a coma for only 105pts. A starting vanilla-setting or Freedom City character has 150pts.
    • On the other hand, that same character could have their mind control be bounced by anyone with a decent superhero-class Will save (and be immune for the next 24 hours, as the re-infection period had a built-in delay), found with mundane investigative skills, and defeated simply by pulling out the plug on their life support machine. The adventure was written for characters about as powerful as the secondary cast of Heroes. Actual comic-book superheroes would blow through it in six pages.
    • Those 45pts that would be spare for a player trying to recreate this build, however, is enough to remove the coma, and buy a +10 bonus to Fortitude and Reflex saves, plus 10 ranks of Protection - and there would still be 10 points left over for Strike or a couple more ranks in Mind Control.
    • And with Attack and Defense of +0, meaning that anyone on the planet could hit her blindfolded, and she couldn't hope to hit water falling out of a boat. In other words, still a one-round wipeout for any other PL10 super willing to spend one hero point on their Will save.
    • Not to mention that in either the Freedom City or META-4 game universes, the list of people lining up to kill anyone using this build would be legion. And Taurus and Talos both can afford death robots, while Ghostworks is a black ops spook squad composed of the psionically active... and defended.
Moved into Thread Mode. Admittedly, my fault, but still Thread Mode.
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