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Capa
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07:29:07 PM Aug 31st 2011
edited by Capa
Just read the entries for Black Butler, Hetalia, and Supernatural about ukefication. I'm going to bang my head against the wall after reading what fan fic writers have done to my favorite characters.
Dioschorium
12:12:39 PM Sep 2nd 2011
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Iaculus
12:55:21 PM Sep 2nd 2011
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Capa
05:51:51 PM Sep 5th 2011
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Icarael
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11:55:01 AM Aug 14th 2011
The Hetalia section in Main has grown pretty large. What do?
Stoogebie
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09:51:28 PM Aug 10th 2011
I just read through the entries for Yu Gi Oh and Death Note. Allow me to go shoot myself as I wonder what those ****ing fangirls did to my poor L!
67.180.64.220
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01:26:52 PM Apr 9th 2011
I question the assertions made in two sections of this trope. One is that slash fans are simply using the "uke" as a proxy or surrogate to imagine themselves in a relationship with a seme. Through my experience reading yaoi, fanfiction, and scholarly research on yaoi, I've seen that a lot of readers are actually exploring different kinds of sexual and romantic roles women could have and/or are deprived of in reality through those relationships. If it was as simple as romantic/sexual "wish fulfillment" (i.e. wanting to get with the seme and do things with the seme that the uke is doing) as the writer of this trope states, why would there be so much physical abuse and rape, as many users have pointed out in specific examples, again and again? Or are they arguing that these female readers and writers wish to be raped and physically abused? There's obviously an amount of alienation from the uke as well as a kind of association/identification with the uke—that is more complex than mere wish-fulfillment. There is ample evidence, through close reading many works in both genres, to show that it also goes beyond merely fetishizing rape and abuse.

The other assertion is in the quote from Minotaur's Tips for Slash Writers, advises writers on realistically portraying gay men. But this has never been the aim of most yaoi or slash fanfiction: many of the characters featured in both do not identify as gay, and I would argue, as the writer of this trope does, that the men in yaoi and slash often don't represent real men either (however, as opposed to the uke being simply a vessel through which a female member of the audience can insert herself, the relationship itself is a slate through which women can experiment with different relationships without all the baggage tied to "women" and "men" in heterosexual relationships). As I mentioned before, female yaoi and slash writers and readers often seem to be exploring gender roles and relationships through these genres. I find it contradictory that the author of this page asserts that the uke is merely a proxy (representing a woman) then quotes someone who assumes the men in these genres are meant to represent men in the real world.
Dioschorium
08:06:03 AM Apr 26th 2011
I don't read enough traditional slash fic to confirm or argue with your statements, but I will hypothesize that some of the rape and abuse in the genre can be attributed to the influence of old romance novels. Heroes of 1970s romance novels often raped and/or abused the heroines to emphasize their masculinity and reinforce gender polarization. Some slash fic writers may operate under the notion that cruelty toward one's partner is the only way to establish the seme as dominant, just as many romance authors did with their heroes.

Furthermore, I take issue with the quotation from Minotaur's Tips. Maybe his relationships with men were rife with emotional distance, but that doesn't describe all male characters who become the subject of slash fiction. Some fictional men are indeed emotional or even effeminate. Even if you translate his advice to creating original characters, it doesn't hold water because he's effectively saying that authors should only create traditionally manly characters when writing men.
67.166.84.230
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07:13:37 PM Jul 28th 2010
Nothing annoys this Kaibax Joey-shipping troper more than the reduction of strong, independent, badass, firey Cloud Cuckoo Lander Joey into a simpering, sugar-sweet submissive, "anything to please my Master" (EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!), weakling uke— except maybe turning KAIBA into an ultra-uke. WHY? WHHHYYYYY??
67.180.64.220
01:24:25 PM Apr 9th 2011
edited by 67.180.64.220
Sorry, I didn't mean to respond to your post!

Iaculus
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07:11:01 PM Jul 13th 2010
I've been on the Internet for years, I know I shouldn't be surprised about this, but... there is Nick Clegg/David Cameron slashfic?

(brain explodes).
Jcatgrl
09:40:15 AM Apr 2nd 2011
There's always political slashfic.
DA
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06:39:55 PM Jul 10th 2010
Do you guys think this trope can be added to the Bad Writing index? After all, this is usually a subtrope of Out Of Character and Canon Defilement, and can also be a symptom of being a Possession Sue
AGroupie
02:57:10 PM Jul 13th 2010
Yes, it should be. *adds it*
Azaram
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12:06:27 AM May 14th 2010
edited by Azaram
(Never mind, dur. :P )
Seikai
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11:28:59 PM Apr 29th 2010
I just wanted to add this about this point:

  • In District Nine Slash Fic (what little there is), Wikus is generally turned from a mentally unstable and violent Half Human Hybrid to a scared little kitten who quickly abandons his smoking-hot wife for a seven foot tall grasshopper, and may or may not mother its children.

What... the... hell? Seriously?
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