Main Relationship Writing Fumble Discussion

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01:07:09 PM Aug 27th 2017
  • Bleach:
    • Tite Kubo came out and said that Ichigo and Rukia's relationship, as it stands, is very close but not romantic. The anime still inserted pro-Ichigo/Rukia Ship Tease upon Ship Tease. At the end of the series, Ichigo marries his longtime admirer Orihime Inoue, Rukia marries her childhood friend Renji Abarai... and sparks seem to be flying between Ichigo's son and Rukia's daughter.
This looks more like a case of creative differences Manga author and Anime group. They had different ideas what kind of relationship Berry and Ruki were supposed to have but both succeded in what they were intending.
Given the Shipping Goggles pothole it's pretty clear that whoever wrote this had no idea what he was doing.
12:14:06 AM Mar 29th 2017
  • In the Doom movie, Reaper and Samantha are supposed to be siblings, but if not for the script establishing them as brother and sister, their relationship would be your typical Designated Love Interest Rescue Romance present in many action flicks. It doesn't help that Sam is the only predominant female in the cast, or that Reaper bridal carries her at one point.
I have trouble understanding this. Designated Love Interest is Love Interest that doesn't look like one. How can this be RWF when it would look like DLI otherwise?
02:14:56 PM Nov 19th 2016
Why is this listed as bad writing when the article itself seems to blame the audience for this trope?
02:11:10 AM Nov 20th 2016
"This is about a writer fumbling their treatment of something that wasn't supposed to be a relationship at all"
05:05:23 PM Aug 23rd 2016
Can anyone fact-check this, that was added to the Avatar entry?

"Justified, as the writers were still debating whether Katara should end up with Aang or Zuko up until writing the final episode, at which point the network made the final call, with Aang being considered the "safer option" according to series head writer Aaron Eshaz, is not shy about how he wishes they went the other direction."

This is the first I've heard of that - I've always heard Katara/Aang was planned from the very beginning.
06:22:15 AM Aug 24th 2016
edited by Larkmarn
First off, that's not what justified fucking means. Secondly it's natter. Thirdly, if true, then it's not a writing fumble so much as it's a Love Triangle, which isn't this trope. Fourthly, it's irrelevant since having Zuko as a viable option doesn't have anything to do with Aang and Katara's relationship coming across as more familial than romantic.
09:12:18 AM Mar 20th 2016
I took out one item from Doctor Who: "Another Acting Fumble led to the Richard Hurndall First Doctor in "The Five Doctors" appearing, in one shot, to be checking out his own granddaughter. This scene was considered so bad it was cut out in several reruns." I have been doing research related to The Five Doctors and can find no evidence to back this up. Every frame that has been cut from Doctor Who stories is indexed endlessly online and in books and there is nothing to support that the episode had to be edited for such a shot. If someone can provide a source, they're welcome to put it in, but this one seemed to be a bit too dubious to leave in. I know this wiki doesn't require the same standards of citations as others, but let's try to be accurate anyway. I'm also dubious about the related note about Davison "checking out" Ford but I left that one in as it didn't claim the episode was edited as a result.
02:33:08 PM Jun 26th 2013
This trope should probably be renamed; it gets misused a LOT to mean relationships that were written badly instead of seeing a relationship where there isn't supposed to be one.
09:52:10 PM May 20th 2013
This page just seems to be another Ho Yay page.
08:28:30 AM Feb 19th 2012
Should we look for a different quote, or at least add a little qualifier somewhere? While the quote nicely summarizes the trope, the actual characters and actions mentioned are very much intentionally made to cause that kind of weirdness, rather than simply being poorly written or "fumbled".

In the mean time, I'm just going to add a short example for Evangelion under the Anime folder.
04:32:16 PM Sep 18th 2011
I think I end up doing this all the time. A new kid and her mentor come off as Foe Yay, a Tagalong Kid comes off as crushing on the dorky boy in the group, and most recently, a pair of Ensemble Darkhorses who tend to come off as something between siblings and a married couple.
04:01:57 PM Sep 11th 2011
Could we add the Carlie Cooper/Peter Parker relationship post-One More Day to this page?
08:55:29 PM Jul 18th 2012
I'll agree with that. They tried to make them the OTP, but they still made Mary Jane better.
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