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16th Aug '17 9:45:59 AM SeptimusHeap
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*** [[{{Shotacon}} Hope and Lightning]]. They spend a good amount of time alone together when the party splits up and Lightning does take Hope under her wing, to toughen him up. Their interactions can easily swing between motherly/mentor feelings on Lightning's side, but can just as easily be seen as romantic. ''Then'' came ''[[VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII Lightning Returns]]'' and put a heavy subtext into the relationship of Lightning and Hope [[note]]in the Japanese version[[/note]], to the point that it almost feels like they ''are'' being set up as a romantic couple, which caused the English localization to lessen this emphasis and throw in a nod towards a potential crush from Hope towards Vanille, only to be immediately denied and never brought up again as the game keeps marching into Lightning and Hope's territory. Then the post-game novel was released, and any kind of subtlety is thrown off the window, starting with Hope (now reborn as a young man) denying having ever seen Lightning as a mother figure and revealing he went insane over illusions of Lightning prior to his abduction and the [[WordOfGod author (who is also the scenario writer for the trilogy)]] dropping major hints towards Lightning going to meet Hope in the in-game epilogue.

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*** [[{{Shotacon}} Hope and Lightning]].Lightning. They spend a good amount of time alone together when the party splits up and Lightning does take Hope under her wing, to toughen him up. Their interactions can easily swing between motherly/mentor feelings on Lightning's side, but can just as easily be seen as romantic. ''Then'' came ''[[VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII Lightning Returns]]'' and put a heavy subtext into the relationship of Lightning and Hope [[note]]in the Japanese version[[/note]], to the point that it almost feels like they ''are'' being set up as a romantic couple, which caused the English localization to lessen this emphasis and throw in a nod towards a potential crush from Hope towards Vanille, only to be immediately denied and never brought up again as the game keeps marching into Lightning and Hope's territory. Then the post-game novel was released, and any kind of subtlety is thrown off the window, starting with Hope (now reborn as a young man) denying having ever seen Lightning as a mother figure and revealing he went insane over illusions of Lightning prior to his abduction and the [[WordOfGod author (who is also the scenario writer for the trilogy)]] dropping major hints towards Lightning going to meet Hope in the in-game epilogue.
15th Aug '17 11:27:49 PM Lemia
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* ''Theatre/SundayInTheParkWithGeorge'' has perhaps one of the oddest examples out there, introducing a fumble between a man and an apparition of his deceased great-grandmother [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane that may or may not actually be there]]. The man in question, George, is the [[IdenticalGrandson identical great-grandson]] of painter Georges Seurat, and she seems to think he's him, but Sondheim probably should've thought before giving lines like "[[TriumphantReprise We have always belonged together]]" to relatives.

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* ''Theatre/SundayInTheParkWithGeorge'' has perhaps one of the oddest examples out there, introducing a fumble between a man and an apparition of his deceased great-grandmother [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane that may or may not actually Inactually be there]]. The man in question, George, is the [[IdenticalGrandson identical great-grandson]] of painter Georges Seurat, and she seems to think he's him, but Sondheim probably should've thought before giving lines like "[[TriumphantReprise We have always belonged together]]" to relatives.relatives.
* In ''Theatre/HarryPotterAndTheCursedChild'', Albus and Scorpius develop a forbidden relationship with one another that involves them risking their lives for one another, defying other people's attempts to keep them apart, and is even paralleled at one point with Snape and Lily's relationship. Said relationship is ''supposed'' to be strictly friendship with Scorpius asking out his actual crush Rose at the end, but some readers interpreted it [[HoYay quite differently]].
12th Aug '17 2:06:06 AM SeptimusHeap
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** The relationship between the main character and his younger sister--who is the crown princess and heir apparent of the queendom--is, perhaps, depicted as being a little ''too'' close. While it does work the way it was probably planned--making the player care for her, and providing a real motivation to rescue her when she becomes the prisoner of rebellious nobles early on--it can easily be misconstrued as BrotherSisterIncest (and {{Lolicon}}, too, just for good measure). Especially considering that the two of them share a bed at one time, and that the "[[MultipleEndings Good Ending]]" has you, following her coronation as Queen, take on the position of General of the Armies, which is reserved for the Queen's Consort.

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** The relationship between the main character and his younger sister--who is the crown princess and heir apparent of the queendom--is, perhaps, depicted as being a little ''too'' close. While it does work the way it was probably planned--making the player care for her, and providing a real motivation to rescue her when she becomes the prisoner of rebellious nobles early on--it can easily be misconstrued as BrotherSisterIncest (and {{Lolicon}}, NoYay, too, just for good measure). Especially considering that the two of them share a bed at one time, and that the "[[MultipleEndings Good Ending]]" has you, following her coronation as Queen, take on the position of General of the Armies, which is reserved for the Queen's Consort.
3rd Aug '17 2:42:44 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Throughout the MCU's [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain]] [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier America]] [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar trilogy]] of films, Captain America and his childhood friend Bucky Barnes are so intensely devoted to each other that they're willing to throw everything away including their own lives and reputations just to protect each other, while Cap's relationship with his official love interest, Sharon Carter, is so conspicuously underdeveloped in comparison, that a lot of people are convinced Bucky is Captain America's ''real'' love interest. Even the films' writers committed a RelationshipWritingFumble mid-sentence, describing their relationship as a "love story" before quickly calling them brothers.

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* Throughout the MCU's [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain]] [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier America]] [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar trilogy]] of films, Captain America and his childhood friend Bucky Barnes are so intensely devoted to each other that they're willing to throw everything away including their own lives and reputations just to protect each other, while Cap's relationship with his official love interest, Sharon Carter, is so conspicuously underdeveloped in comparison, that a lot of people are convinced Bucky is Captain America's ''real'' love interest. Even the films' writers committed a RelationshipWritingFumble fumbled mid-sentence, describing their relationship as a "love story" before quickly calling them brothers.
3rd Aug '17 2:39:23 PM AlleyOop
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* Throughout the MCU's [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain]] [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier America]] [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar trilogy]] of films, Captain America and his childhood friend Bucky Barnes are so intensely devoted to each other that they're willing to throw everything away including their own lives and reputations just to protect each other, while Cap's relationship with his official love interest, Sharon Carter, is so conspicuously underdeveloped in comparison, that a lot of people are convinced Bucky is Captain America's ''real'' love interest. Even the films' writers committed a RelationshipWritingFumble mid-sentence, describing their relationship as a "love story" before quickly calling them brothers.
3rd Aug '17 3:06:54 AM RedScharlach
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* There were a lot of things wrong with the movie [[Film/MaximumRide]], but main character Max's love interest Fang suffered a total lack of personality or interesting features, and most of his conversations with Max involved him disagreeing with her or questioning her priorities. Meanwhile, Ari has a tragic backstory, is hopelessly corrupted, has a reunion with Max after many years, and Max constantly has dreams about him. If not for the film going on to express in a more obvious way that Ari resented Max, it might have run its course before viewers realized it wasn't going to be a love triangle.

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* There were a lot of things wrong with the movie [[Film/MaximumRide]], Film/MaximumRide, but main character Max's love interest Fang suffered a total lack of personality or interesting features, and most of his conversations with Max involved him disagreeing with her or questioning her priorities. Meanwhile, Ari has a tragic backstory, is hopelessly corrupted, has a reunion with Max after many years, and Max constantly has dreams about him. If not for the film going on to express in a more obvious way that Ari resented Max, it might have run its course before viewers realized it wasn't going to be a love triangle.



* ''Literature/TheBelgariad'': David Eddings seems absolutely incapable of writing a sibling relationship without getting a bit eyebrow-raisingly emotionally intense - Polgara and Beldaran in the early parts of ''Polgara The Sorceress'', especially, read rather more {{twincest}}uous than not. Although, how much of this is David and how much can be attributed to his Co-Ghost Writer and wife, Leigh Eddings, is really anyone's guess.

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* ''Literature/TheBelgariad'': David Eddings seems absolutely incapable of writing a sibling relationship without getting a bit eyebrow-raisingly emotionally intense - Polgara and Beldaran in the early parts of ''Polgara The Sorceress'', especially, read rather more {{twincest}}uous than not. Although, how much of this is David and how much can be attributed to his Co-Ghost Writer co-writer and wife, Leigh Eddings, is really anyone's guess.
3rd Aug '17 3:04:23 AM RedScharlach
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* There were a lot of things wrong with the movie [[Film/Maximum Ride]], but main character Max's love interest Fang suffered a total lack of personality or interesting features, and most of his conversations with Max involved him disagreeing with her or questioning her priorities. Meanwhile, Ari has a tragic backstory, is hopelessly corrupted, has a reunion with Max after many years, and Max constantly has dreams about him. If not for the film going on to express in a more obvious way that Ari resented Max, it might have run its course before viewers realized it wasn't going to be a love triangle.

Even more awkward, it turns out that in the books most of the characters [[spoiler: are genetically related in some way due to being lab rats, including Max and Fang. However, Ari and Max share an actual father.]]

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* There were a lot of things wrong with the movie [[Film/Maximum Ride]], [[Film/MaximumRide]], but main character Max's love interest Fang suffered a total lack of personality or interesting features, and most of his conversations with Max involved him disagreeing with her or questioning her priorities. Meanwhile, Ari has a tragic backstory, is hopelessly corrupted, has a reunion with Max after many years, and Max constantly has dreams about him. If not for the film going on to express in a more obvious way that Ari resented Max, it might have run its course before viewers realized it wasn't going to be a love triangle. \n\n
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Even more awkward, it turns out that in the books most of the characters [[spoiler: are genetically related in some way due to being lab rats, including Max and Fang. However, Ari and Max share an actual father.]]
3rd Aug '17 2:37:15 AM RedScharlach
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* This [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Ir6CzxKl4 remake]] of an [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4kNl7cQdcU 80's Folger's commercial]] has a reunion between a guy who came back from for Christmas to his younger sister. In the original this is innocent BigBrotherWorship due to her young age, but the remake ages her up and makes her actions seems rather [[IncestSubtext flirtatous]].

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* This [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Ir6CzxKl4 remake]] of an [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4kNl7cQdcU 80's Folger's commercial]] has a reunion between a guy who came back from for Christmas to his younger sister. In the original this is innocent BigBrotherWorship due to her young age, but the remake ages her up and makes her actions seems rather [[IncestSubtext flirtatous]].flirtatious]].
9th Jul '17 10:59:46 PM StrixObscuro
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9th Jul '17 10:53:10 PM cryforce
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* There were a lot of things wrong with the movie [[Film/Maximum Ride]], but main character Max's love interest Fang suffered a total lack of personality or interesting features, and most of his conversations with Max involved him disagreeing with her or questioning her priorities. Meanwhile, Ari has a tragic backstory, is hopelessly corrupted, has a reunion with Max after many years, and Max constantly has dreams about him. If not for the film going on to express in a more obvious way that Ari resented Max, it might have run its course before viewers realized it wasn't going to be a love triangle.

Even more awkward, it turns out that in the books most of the characters [[spoiler: are genetically related in some way due to being lab rats, including Max and Fang. However, Ari and Max share an actual father.]]
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