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12th May '17 9:06:29 PM mouschilight
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** And finally, this was deliberately {{Invoked|Trope}} and {{Exploited|Trope}} with Naruto/Sakura, mostly in [[{{Filler}} the anime adaptation]] where they were implied to have a closer relationship than [[LikeBrotherAndSister what was actually shown]] in [[{{Canon}} the manga]]. [[WordOfGod Kishimoto has stated in several post-series interviews]] that the two of them being close as teammates throughout the series was a [[TrollingCreator deliberate]] [[RedHerring mislead]], especially since Sakura was ''never'' intended to be Naruto's main love interest to begin with, while [[spoiler:[[OneTrueLove Hinata]], the girl Naruto truly fell in love with and got HappilyMarried to in the end]], ''always'' was, and [[spoiler:[[OfficialCouple Naruto/Hinata]]]] had been planned since the early stages of the manga.

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** And finally, this was deliberately {{Invoked|Trope}} and {{Exploited|Trope}} with Naruto/Sakura, mostly in the [[{{Filler}} the anime adaptation]] where they were implied to have a closer relationship than [[LikeBrotherAndSister what was actually shown]] in the [[{{Canon}} the manga]]. [[WordOfGod Kishimoto has stated in several post-series interviews]] that the two of them being close as teammates throughout the series was a [[TrollingCreator deliberate]] [[RedHerring mislead]], especially since Sakura was ''never'' intended to be Naruto's main love interest to begin with, while [[spoiler:[[OneTrueLove Hinata]], the girl Naruto truly fell in love with and got HappilyMarried to in the end]], ''always'' was, and [[spoiler:[[OfficialCouple Naruto/Hinata]]]] had been planned since the early stages of the manga.
12th May '17 6:33:28 PM mouschilight
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** And finally, this was deliberately {{Invoked|Trope}} and {{Exploited|Trope}} with Naruto/Sakura, mostly in [[{{Filler}} the anime adaptation]] where they were implied to have a closer relationship than [[LikeBrotherAndSister what was actually shown]] in [[{{Canon}} the manga]]. [[WordOfGod Kishimoto has stated in several post-series interviews]] that the two of them being close as teammates throughout the series was a [[TrollingCreator deliberate]] [[RedHerring mislead]], especially since Sakura was ''never'' intended to be Naruto's main love interest to begin with, while [[spoiler:[[OneTrueLove Hinata]], the girl Naruto truly fell in love with and got HappilyMarried to in the end]], ''always'' was, and [[spoiler:Naruto/Hinata]] had been planned since the early stages of the manga.

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** And finally, this was deliberately {{Invoked|Trope}} and {{Exploited|Trope}} with Naruto/Sakura, mostly in [[{{Filler}} the anime adaptation]] where they were implied to have a closer relationship than [[LikeBrotherAndSister what was actually shown]] in [[{{Canon}} the manga]]. [[WordOfGod Kishimoto has stated in several post-series interviews]] that the two of them being close as teammates throughout the series was a [[TrollingCreator deliberate]] [[RedHerring mislead]], especially since Sakura was ''never'' intended to be Naruto's main love interest to begin with, while [[spoiler:[[OneTrueLove Hinata]], the girl Naruto truly fell in love with and got HappilyMarried to in the end]], ''always'' was, and [[spoiler:Naruto/Hinata]] [[spoiler:[[OfficialCouple Naruto/Hinata]]]] had been planned since the early stages of the manga.
12th May '17 6:32:32 PM mouschilight
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** Naruto and Sasuke share an AccidentalKiss in the third episode, have what can be interpreted as UST pre-TimeSkip, and Naruto seems to have a "broken heart" thing going on after Sasuke leaves. [[spoiler:Their "bromance" gets played up for all it's worth in their final battle, with elaborate declarations of friendship along with emotional confessions and apologies after beating the crap out of each other. It's all very, ''very'' easy to interpret as BelligerentSexualTension or perhaps a fight and reconciliation between two former lovers]].

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** Naruto and Sasuke share an AccidentalKiss in the third episode, have what can be interpreted as UST {{UST}} pre-TimeSkip, and Naruto seems to have a "broken heart" thing going on after Sasuke leaves. [[spoiler:Their "bromance" gets played up for all it's worth in their final battle, with elaborate declarations of friendship along with emotional confessions and apologies after beating the crap out of each other. It's all very, ''very'' easy to interpret as BelligerentSexualTension or perhaps a fight and reconciliation between two former lovers]].



** And finally, this was deliberately {{Invoked|Trope}} and {{Exploited|Trope}} with [[spoiler:Naruto/Sakura]], mostly in [[{{Filler}} the anime adaptation]] where they were implied to have a closer relationship than [[LikeBrotherAndSister what was actually shown]] in the manga. [[WordOfGod Kishimoto has stated in several post-series interviews]] that the two of them being close as teammates throughout the series was a [[TrollingCreator deliberate]] [[RedHerring mislead]], especially since [[spoiler:Sakura]] was ''never'' intended to be [[spoiler:Naruto's]] main love interest to begin with, while [[spoiler:[[OneTrueLove Hinata]], the girl Naruto truly fell in love with and got HappilyMarried to in the end]], ''always'' was, and [[spoiler:Naruto/Hinata]] had been planned since the early stages of the manga.

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** And finally, this was deliberately {{Invoked|Trope}} and {{Exploited|Trope}} with [[spoiler:Naruto/Sakura]], Naruto/Sakura, mostly in [[{{Filler}} the anime adaptation]] where they were implied to have a closer relationship than [[LikeBrotherAndSister what was actually shown]] in [[{{Canon}} the manga. manga]]. [[WordOfGod Kishimoto has stated in several post-series interviews]] that the two of them being close as teammates throughout the series was a [[TrollingCreator deliberate]] [[RedHerring mislead]], especially since [[spoiler:Sakura]] Sakura was ''never'' intended to be [[spoiler:Naruto's]] Naruto's main love interest to begin with, while [[spoiler:[[OneTrueLove Hinata]], the girl Naruto truly fell in love with and got HappilyMarried to in the end]], ''always'' was, and [[spoiler:Naruto/Hinata]] had been planned since the early stages of the manga.



** WordOfGod said that Misty and Ash were not supposed to be a couple. Their relationship does often come off as romantic though, be it unrequited on Misty's side or not. They have a BelligerentSexualTension type friendship throughout the Original Series and Misty has shown jealousy towards girls behavior around Ash. This was not at all helped by a music CD released in America after the show started picking up popularity. The CD features a song sung from Misty's perspective that flat-out says she loves Ash, but CannotSpitItOut. The American-produced ''Theatre/PokemonLive'' musical also featured a romance between them.

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** WordOfGod said that Ash and Misty and Ash were not supposed to be a couple. Their relationship does ''does'' often come off as romantic though, be it unrequited on Misty's side or not. They have a BelligerentSexualTension type friendship throughout the Original Series and [[ClingyJealousGirl Misty has shown jealousy jealousy]] towards girls girls' behavior around Ash. This was not at all helped by a music CD released in America after the show started picking up popularity. The CD features a song sung from Misty's perspective that flat-out says she loves Ash, but CannotSpitItOut. The American-produced ''Theatre/PokemonLive'' musical also featured a romance between them.
8th May '17 1:20:22 PM catmuto
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* ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' does a rather positive example of this between [[BattleCouple Joel and Tess]], despite what WordOfGod has claimed. In-game, their interactions and trust in each other can be read in various ways, with Bill mentioning 'trouble in paradise' at one point, but nothing ever being a name for the exact nature of their relationship. Tess does say at one point that 'there must be enough here', being the closest to indicating that there might be romance between them, but whether it goes into the physically intimate or merely a deep bond of trust realm is up for interpretation.
6th May '17 7:19:20 PM Golondrina
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* HoYay or MedaWatchdog bait in a [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating G-Rated]] series.

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* HoYay or MedaWatchdog MediaWatchdog bait in a [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating G-Rated]] series.
4th May '17 12:28:36 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* HoYay or UnfortunateImplications in a [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating G-Rated]] series.

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* HoYay or UnfortunateImplications MedaWatchdog bait in a [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating G-Rated]] series.



** The [[DestructiveRomance abusive relationship]] HoYay subtext between Styggron and Crayford in "The Android Invasion" deserves a mention. Styggron is intended as an obsessive control freak who has no interest in anything besides his convoluted plan, and it was supposed to be him manipulating Crayford for these ends and then abandoning him. Unfortunately, the [[XanatosRoulette extreme]], [[IdiotPlot gibberish-level]] convolution of his plan means that his {{Gaslighting}} of Crayford comes across as abuse for its own sake. The {{Padding}} scenes added by Creator/RobertHolmes add a whole subplot where Styggron straps down Crayford to an AgonyBeam scanner to psychologically torture him by creating and destroying a robot duplicate in front of him, which makes Crayford's later obsessive devotion to him come off as inexplicable, unless he's emotionally codependent. The Doctor eventually has to talk Crayford into realising that Styggron's been lying to him about who he really is, which Crayford plays in the manner of someone finally realising the truth about an abusive husband.
** The Doctor and Leela. Their relationship has a bigger power dynamic differential than most Doctor/companion relationships, with Leela being his student and, to a certain extent, his creation. Their relationship was intended to be more distant and vertical than with Sarah Jane, a carry-over from the Third Doctor era who didn't quite fit the Fourth Doctor's alienness. And none of it stops the Doctor checking her out in pretty dresses and trying to grope her thighs or sniff her hair while hiding with her in doorways.

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** The [[DestructiveRomance abusive relationship]] HoYay subtext between Styggron and Crayford in "The Android Invasion" deserves a mention. Styggron is intended as an obsessive control freak who has no interest in anything besides his convoluted plan, and it was supposed to be him manipulating Crayford for these ends and then abandoning him. Unfortunately, the [[XanatosRoulette extreme]], [[IdiotPlot gibberish-level]] [[GambitRoulette gibberish-level convolution of his plan plan]] means that his {{Gaslighting}} of Crayford comes across as abuse for its own sake. The {{Padding}} scenes added by Creator/RobertHolmes add a whole subplot where Styggron straps down Crayford to an AgonyBeam scanner to psychologically torture him by creating and destroying a robot duplicate in front of him, which makes Crayford's later obsessive devotion to him come off as inexplicable, unless he's emotionally codependent. The Doctor eventually has to talk Crayford into realising that Styggron's been lying to him about who he really is, which Crayford plays in the manner of someone finally realising the truth about an abusive husband.
** The Doctor and Leela. Their relationship has a bigger power dynamic differential than most Doctor/companion relationships, with Leela being his student and, to a certain extent, his creation. Their relationship was intended to be more distant and vertical than with Sarah Jane, a carry-over from the Third Doctor era who didn't quite fit the Fourth Doctor's alienness. And none None of it stops the Doctor checking her out in pretty dresses and trying to grope her thighs or sniff her hair while hiding with her in doorways.
1st May '17 12:16:57 PM randomtroper89
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* Another HoYay example: ''Manga/GameXRush'', big time. It doesn't help that there are almost no major characters besides the two main guys, who spend the first volume in a platonic SlapSlapKiss states and the second volume having Deep Emotional Confrontations and Meaningful Looks and Intimate (not ''that'' intimate!) Physical Contact.

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* Another HoYay example: ''Manga/GameXRush'', big time. It doesn't help that there are almost no major characters besides the two main guys, who spend the first volume in a platonic SlapSlapKiss BelligerentSexualTension states and the second volume having Deep Emotional Confrontations and Meaningful Looks and Intimate (not ''that'' intimate!) Physical Contact.



** Naruto and Sasuke share an AccidentalKiss in the third episode, have what can be interpreted as UST pre-TimeSkip, and Naruto seems to have a "broken heart" thing going on after Sasuke leaves. [[spoiler:Their "bromance" gets played up for all it's worth in their final battle, with elaborate declarations of friendship along with emotional confessions and apologies after beating the crap out of each other. It's all very, ''very'' easy to interpret as SlapSlapKiss or perhaps a fight and reconciliation between two former lovers]].

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** Naruto and Sasuke share an AccidentalKiss in the third episode, have what can be interpreted as UST pre-TimeSkip, and Naruto seems to have a "broken heart" thing going on after Sasuke leaves. [[spoiler:Their "bromance" gets played up for all it's worth in their final battle, with elaborate declarations of friendship along with emotional confessions and apologies after beating the crap out of each other. It's all very, ''very'' easy to interpret as SlapSlapKiss BelligerentSexualTension or perhaps a fight and reconciliation between two former lovers]].



** WordOfGod said that Misty and Ash were not supposed to be a couple. Their relationship does often come off as romantic though, be it unrequited on Misty's side or not. They have a SlapSlapKiss type friendship throughout the Original Series and Misty has shown jealousy towards girls behavior around Ash. This was not at all helped by a music CD released in America after the show started picking up popularity. The CD features a song sung from Misty's perspective that flat-out says she loves Ash, but CannotSpitItOut. The American-produced ''Theatre/PokemonLive'' musical also featured a romance between them.

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** WordOfGod said that Misty and Ash were not supposed to be a couple. Their relationship does often come off as romantic though, be it unrequited on Misty's side or not. They have a SlapSlapKiss BelligerentSexualTension type friendship throughout the Original Series and Misty has shown jealousy towards girls behavior around Ash. This was not at all helped by a music CD released in America after the show started picking up popularity. The CD features a song sung from Misty's perspective that flat-out says she loves Ash, but CannotSpitItOut. The American-produced ''Theatre/PokemonLive'' musical also featured a romance between them.



** In ''[[BrokenBase Breaking Dawn]]'', Jacob/Leah seemed to be the obvious direction for the Unlucky Childhood Friend(s), especially because of the SlapSlapKiss involved. However, Jacob [[StrangledByTheRedString imprinted]] on [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Bella's two-minute-old child,]] and that was that.

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** In ''[[BrokenBase Breaking Dawn]]'', Jacob/Leah seemed to be the obvious direction for the Unlucky Childhood Friend(s), especially because of the SlapSlapKiss BelligerentSexualTension involved. However, Jacob [[StrangledByTheRedString imprinted]] on [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Bella's two-minute-old child,]] and that was that.



** Arthur and Morgana behave like FlirtyStepSiblings, with lots of SlapSlapKiss. In series two, the writers immediately backed off, leery about BrotherSisterIncest implications and the need to justify the increasingly marginalized Gwen by [[RelationshipUpgrade upgrading her to love interest]] for Arthur. But the third season has TheReveal that Morgana is [[spoiler:Uther's biological daughter and Arthur's half-sister]], throwing past Arthur/Morgana interactions into a whole new light. In the most of the well-known versions of Arthurian legend, Mordred is their son, not a kid who they rescue together, and in all of ''those'' they're usually brother and sister. ([[ItWasHisSled Mordred generally turns out]] to be a BastardBastard and attempts to get revenge on Arthur as a morality tale against out-of-wedlock relationships and incest.)

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** Arthur and Morgana behave like FlirtyStepSiblings, with lots of SlapSlapKiss.BelligerentSexualTension. In series two, the writers immediately backed off, leery about BrotherSisterIncest implications and the need to justify the increasingly marginalized Gwen by [[RelationshipUpgrade upgrading her to love interest]] for Arthur. But the third season has TheReveal that Morgana is [[spoiler:Uther's biological daughter and Arthur's half-sister]], throwing past Arthur/Morgana interactions into a whole new light. In the most of the well-known versions of Arthurian legend, Mordred is their son, not a kid who they rescue together, and in all of ''those'' they're usually brother and sister. ([[ItWasHisSled Mordred generally turns out]] to be a BastardBastard and attempts to get revenge on Arthur as a morality tale against out-of-wedlock relationships and incest.)



* The writers of ''Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'' seem to have given Justin and Alex, who are brother and sister, an almost SlapSlapKiss-like dynamic. It stems, just like the example from ''Series/{{Chuck}}'', from the fact that Justin was intended to be a next-door neighbour only for it to be switched late on in pre-production. It doesn't help that one episode featured Alex accidentally wishing that everyone forgot Justin was her brother, causing ''their own mother'' to comment that they'd make a cute couple. They try to remedy this by giving them both relationships, and the Justin/Juliet one almost works. Then they got rid of Juliet, [[PutOnABusToHell when they made her an eternal mummy slave]] [[TheBusCameBack and didn't bring her back until near the end of the series]]. And ''right after Juliet left'', Alex came and comforted Justin, giving him a big, consoling hug.

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* The writers of ''Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'' seem to have given Justin and Alex, who are brother and sister, an almost SlapSlapKiss-like BelligerentSexualTension-like dynamic. It stems, just like the example from ''Series/{{Chuck}}'', from the fact that Justin was intended to be a next-door neighbour only for it to be switched late on in pre-production. It doesn't help that one episode featured Alex accidentally wishing that everyone forgot Justin was her brother, causing ''their own mother'' to comment that they'd make a cute couple. They try to remedy this by giving them both relationships, and the Justin/Juliet one almost works. Then they got rid of Juliet, [[PutOnABusToHell when they made her an eternal mummy slave]] [[TheBusCameBack and didn't bring her back until near the end of the series]]. And ''right after Juliet left'', Alex came and comforted Justin, giving him a big, consoling hug.
1st May '17 11:27:12 AM randomtroper89
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* HoYay example in ''Manga/ZeroSevenGhost'': Teito and Mikage. Mikage tells Teito that he considers him to be as important as his own family (possibly meaning he considers Teito "family") before declaring "I love you, Teito." There's other suspect hints pointing to HoYay as well. Such as Mikage's running [[TheGlomp glomp]] upon meeting Teito again (complete with sparkles) and sleeping in the same bed together in the first episode.

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* HoYay example in ''Manga/ZeroSevenGhost'': Teito and Mikage. Mikage tells Teito that he considers him to be as important as his own family (possibly meaning he considers Teito "family") before declaring "I love you, Teito." There's other suspect hints pointing to HoYay as well. Such as Mikage's running [[TheGlomp glomp]] upon meeting Teito again (complete with sparkles) and sleeping in the same bed together in the first episode.



** Like their comic counterpart, there's Cap and Tony. They spend most of their time bickering, Tony rants about him behind his back, Cap challenges him to 'go a few rounds', but when shit hits the fan, those two go together to fix the engine and work together surprisingly well. Basically, it feels like SlapSlapKiss kind of relationship more than a pseudo sibling rivalry like intended.

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** Like their comic counterpart, there's Cap and Tony. They spend most of their time bickering, Tony rants about him behind his back, Cap challenges him to 'go a few rounds', but when shit hits the fan, those two go together to fix the engine and work together surprisingly well. Basically, it feels like SlapSlapKiss BelligerentSexualTension kind of relationship more than a pseudo sibling rivalry like intended.



** Writers realized they were writing ''way'' too much SlapSlapKiss into Cordelia and Xander's interactions, so they just went with it and made them a couple.

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** Writers realized they were writing ''way'' too much SlapSlapKiss BelligerentSexualTension into Cordelia and Xander's interactions, so they just went with it and made them a couple.
27th Apr '17 10:57:33 PM mouschilight
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** And finally, this was deliberately {{Invoked|Trope}} and {{Exploited|Trope}} with [[spoiler:Naruto/Sakura]], mostly in the anime adaptation where they were implied to have a closer relationship than [[LikeBrotherAndSister what was actually shown]] in the manga. WordOfGod has repeatedly stated in several post-series interviews that the two of them being close as teammates throughout the series was a [[TrollingCreator deliberate]] [[RedHerring mislead]], especially since [[spoiler:Sakura]] was ''never'' intended to be [[spoiler:Naruto's]] main love interest to begin with, while [[spoiler:[[OneTrueLove Hinata]], the girl Naruto truly fell in love with and got HappilyMarried to in the end]], ''always'' was, and [[spoiler:Naruto/Hinata]] had been planned since the early stages of the manga.

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** And finally, this was deliberately {{Invoked|Trope}} and {{Exploited|Trope}} with [[spoiler:Naruto/Sakura]], mostly in [[{{Filler}} the anime adaptation adaptation]] where they were implied to have a closer relationship than [[LikeBrotherAndSister what was actually shown]] in the manga. WordOfGod [[WordOfGod Kishimoto has repeatedly stated in several post-series interviews interviews]] that the two of them being close as teammates throughout the series was a [[TrollingCreator deliberate]] [[RedHerring mislead]], especially since [[spoiler:Sakura]] was ''never'' intended to be [[spoiler:Naruto's]] main love interest to begin with, while [[spoiler:[[OneTrueLove Hinata]], the girl Naruto truly fell in love with and got HappilyMarried to in the end]], ''always'' was, and [[spoiler:Naruto/Hinata]] had been planned since the early stages of the manga.
23rd Apr '17 5:28:20 PM nombretomado
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