History Main / RelationshipWritingFumble

23rd Aug '16 4:18:11 PM RacattackForce
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** Aang and Katara's relationship comes off as more familial than romantic at times as Katara acts as the mature TeamMom to the goofy KidHero Aang. The WillTheyOrWontThey aspect is dragged along and beaten to death until the very end of the series finale. Many fans of the show were actually surprised that the two turned out to be the OfficialCouple rather than a RomanticFalseLead or RedHerring and this is even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] a couple of times throughout the series by the writers, most prominently in Ember Island Players where actress Katara says she loves Aang like a brother.

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** Aang and Katara's relationship comes off as more familial than romantic at times as Katara acts as the mature TeamMom to the goofy KidHero Aang. The WillTheyOrWontThey aspect is dragged along and beaten to death until the very end of the series finale. Many fans of the show were actually surprised that the two turned out to be the OfficialCouple rather than a RomanticFalseLead or RedHerring and this is even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] a couple of times throughout the series by the writers, most prominently in Ember Island Players where actress Katara says she loves Aang like a brother. Justified, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen as the writers were still debating whether Katara should end up with Aang or Zuko up until writing the final episode, at which point the network made the final call, with Aang being considered the "safer option"]] according to series head writer Aaron Eshaz, is not shy about how he wishes they went the other direction.
21st Aug '16 12:34:30 PM IniuriaTalis
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** The ''Manga/RockLeesSpringtimeOfYouth'' spin-off often implies [[KissingCousins Neji and Hinata]], as it's quite obvious in some episodes that Neji has more than familial affection for Hinata. The most obvious scene is the one in which Neji imagines himself and Hinata in a Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet story, Hinata being, of course, his Juliet.
18th Aug '16 10:50:48 AM HamburgerTime
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** Creator/TiteKubo came out and said that Ichigo and Rukia's relationship, as it stands, is very close but '''not''' romantic. The anime still inserted pro-Ichigo/Rukia ShipTease upon ShipTease.

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** Creator/TiteKubo came out and said that Ichigo and Rukia's relationship, as it stands, is very close but '''not''' romantic. The anime still inserted pro-Ichigo/Rukia ShipTease upon ShipTease. At the end of the series, [[spoiler: Ichigo marries his longtime admirer Orihime Inoue, Rukia marries her childhood friend Renji Abarai... and [[ToyShip sparks seem to be flying]] between Ichigo's son and Rukia's daughter]].
14th Aug '16 2:11:14 AM pinkdalek
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** Creator/StevenMoffat loves exploring the murky territory between familial love, sexual love, and different familial roles, usually via time travel. While a small vocal minority still insists that he's in favour of WifeHusbandry, it's usually tasteful, and he's won awards for stories focusing on these themes more than a couple of times (see: "The Girl in the Fireplace", about the Doctor's protection of a little girl as she grew causing her adult self to fall in love with him; and "Listen", where time travel accidents cause Clara to meet her boyfriend's child self, her boyfriend's IdenticalGrandson, and the child self of the Doctor). But it's very unlikely he would have had the Doctor, Amy and Rory all flirting with each other so much if he'd known [[WritingByTheSeatOfHisPants where their arc would end up going]]. Or the parts where River appears to flirt with Amy. Even after he knew ''exactly'' what he was doing, he was still pushing the sexual angle between Amy and the Doctor hard, by repeatedly implying for BaitAndSwitch reasons that Amy's baby was the Doctor's.

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** Creator/StevenMoffat loves exploring the murky territory between familial love, sexual love, and different familial roles, usually via time travel. While a small vocal minority still insists that he's in favour of WifeHusbandry, it's usually tasteful, and he's won awards for stories focusing on these themes more than a couple of times (see: "The Girl in the Fireplace", about the Doctor's protection of a little girl as she grew causing her adult self to fall in love with him; and "Listen", where time travel accidents cause Clara to meet her boyfriend's child self, her boyfriend's IdenticalGrandson, and the child self of the Doctor). But it's very unlikely he would have had the Doctor, Amy and Rory all flirting with each other so much if he'd known [[WritingByTheSeatOfHisPants [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants where their arc would end up going]]. Or the parts where River appears to flirt with Amy. Even after he knew ''exactly'' what he was doing, he was still pushing the sexual angle between Amy and the Doctor hard, by repeatedly implying for BaitAndSwitch reasons that Amy's baby was the Doctor's.
14th Aug '16 2:10:03 AM pinkdalek
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** Creator/StevenMoffat loves exploring the murky territory between familial love, sexual love, and different familial roles, usually via time travel. While a small vocal minority still insists that he's in favour of WifeHusbandry, it's usually tasteful, and he's won awards for stories focusing on these themes more than a couple of times (see: "The Girl in the Fireplace", about the Doctor's protection of a little girl as she grew causing her adult self to fall in love with him; and "Listen", where time travel accidents cause Clara to meet her boyfriend's child self, her boyfriend's IdenticalGrandson, and the child self of the Doctor). But it's very unlikely he would have had the Doctor, Amy and Rory all flirting with each other so much if he'd known [[WritingByTheSeatOfTheirPants where their arc would end up going]]. Or the parts where River appears to flirt with Amy. Even after he knew ''exactly'' what he was doing, he was still pushing the sexual angle between Amy and the Doctor hard, by repeatedly implying for BaitAndSwitch reasons that Amy's baby was the Doctor's.

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** Creator/StevenMoffat loves exploring the murky territory between familial love, sexual love, and different familial roles, usually via time travel. While a small vocal minority still insists that he's in favour of WifeHusbandry, it's usually tasteful, and he's won awards for stories focusing on these themes more than a couple of times (see: "The Girl in the Fireplace", about the Doctor's protection of a little girl as she grew causing her adult self to fall in love with him; and "Listen", where time travel accidents cause Clara to meet her boyfriend's child self, her boyfriend's IdenticalGrandson, and the child self of the Doctor). But it's very unlikely he would have had the Doctor, Amy and Rory all flirting with each other so much if he'd known [[WritingByTheSeatOfTheirPants [[WritingByTheSeatOfHisPants where their arc would end up going]]. Or the parts where River appears to flirt with Amy. Even after he knew ''exactly'' what he was doing, he was still pushing the sexual angle between Amy and the Doctor hard, by repeatedly implying for BaitAndSwitch reasons that Amy's baby was the Doctor's.
14th Aug '16 2:09:08 AM pinkdalek
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** Creator/StevenMoffat loves exploring the murky territory between familial love, sexual love, and different familial roles, usually via time travel. While a small vocal minority still insists that he's in favour of WifeHusbandry, it's usually tasteful, and he's won awards for stories focusing on these themes more than a couple of times (see: "The Girl in the Fireplace", about the Doctor's protection of a little girl as she grew causing her adult self to fall in love with him; and "Listen", where time travel accidents cause Clara to meet her boyfriend's child self, her boyfriend's IdenticalGrandson, and the child self of the Doctor). But, combined with [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants the fact that Moffat didn't know where the arc was going when he started it]], it's very unlikely he would have had the Doctor, Amy and Rory all flirting with each other so much. Or the parts where River appears to flirt with Amy.

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** Creator/StevenMoffat loves exploring the murky territory between familial love, sexual love, and different familial roles, usually via time travel. While a small vocal minority still insists that he's in favour of WifeHusbandry, it's usually tasteful, and he's won awards for stories focusing on these themes more than a couple of times (see: "The Girl in the Fireplace", about the Doctor's protection of a little girl as she grew causing her adult self to fall in love with him; and "Listen", where time travel accidents cause Clara to meet her boyfriend's child self, her boyfriend's IdenticalGrandson, and the child self of the Doctor). But, combined with [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants the fact that Moffat didn't know where the arc was going when he started it]], But it's very unlikely he would have had the Doctor, Amy and Rory all flirting with each other so much.much if he'd known [[WritingByTheSeatOfTheirPants where their arc would end up going]]. Or the parts where River appears to flirt with Amy. Even after he knew ''exactly'' what he was doing, he was still pushing the sexual angle between Amy and the Doctor hard, by repeatedly implying for BaitAndSwitch reasons that Amy's baby was the Doctor's.
14th Aug '16 2:03:06 AM pinkdalek
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** Creator/StevenMoffat loves exploring the murky territory between familial love, sexual love, and different familial roles, usually via time travel. While a small vocal minority still insists that he's in favour of WifeHusbandry, it's usually tasteful, and he's won awards for stories focusing on these themes more than a couple of times (see: "The Girl in the Fireplace", about the Doctor's protection of a little girl as she grew causing her adult self to fall in love with him; and "Listen", where time travel accidents cause Clara to meet her boyfriend's child self, her boyfriend's IdenticalGrandson, and the child self of the Doctor). But, combined with [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants the fact that Moffat didn't know where the arc was going when he started it]], it's very unlikely he would have had the Doctor, Amy and Rory all flirting with each other so much. Or the parts where River appears to flirt with Amy.
14th Aug '16 1:47:26 AM pinkdalek
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** Polly doesn't generally appear to have interest in anyone, but she calls the Doctor 'gorgeous' in one throwaway scene in "The Macra Terror", and when she leaves the TARDIS, the Doctor tells Ben to keep working hard and Polly to [[StayInTheKitchen look after Ben]], implying that they are romantically involved (as well as being [[ValuesDissonance alarmingly sexist by modern standards]]).
14th Aug '16 1:36:47 AM pinkdalek
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*** Cloud spends way more time in ''Film/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren'' talking about his feelings with Vincent than he ever spends willingly talking to Tifa, even though she's the second protagonist in the film, and wears the wolf ring indicating that she's his family member - despite how their emotional evasiveness and mutual lying had [[HeroicBSOD put them both through hell]] in the previous game. And that's before you start on the other ring-wearers, none of whom get to to exchange dialogue with Cloud outside of the extended cut. Even at the end of the film, when he decides he belongs with Tifa and his family, it's Aerith's presence that makes him feel able to do it, and Aerith who he sees softly smiling visions of when he's standing beside them. Despite his dedication to Tifa, he'd still rather hang around two dead people. (And when you compare that to his righteous speech in the original game where he insisted that his party had to remember Aerith as a whole person or 'her smile will just freeze like that', then, well...)
14th Aug '16 1:22:49 AM pinkdalek
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*** Terra has some ShipTease with any male character she talks to. At first, [[TreasureHunter Locke]] saves her, then [[PrinceCharming Edgar]] gives her a reason to fight, Banon welcomes her into the fold, [[BareFistedMonk Sabin]] helps her with her faith - and even Celes gets a conversation with her about whether or not they can fall in love. Later she has a long talk about feelings with General Leo, and about not having feelings with [[{{Ninja}} Shadow]]. Her lover? No canon love interest.

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*** Terra has some ShipTease with any male character she talks to. At first, [[TreasureHunter Locke]] saves her, then [[PrinceCharming Edgar]] gives her a reason to fight, Banon welcomes her into the fold, [[BareFistedMonk Sabin]] helps her with her faith - and even Celes gets a conversation with her (a woman) get to bond about their mutual ability to use magic and whether or not they can fall in love. Later she has a long talk about feelings with General Leo, and about not having feelings with [[{{Ninja}} Shadow]]. Her lover? No canon love interest.
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