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9th Feb '18 12:02:19 PM MiinU
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* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'': The fandom believed Ryoga and Ukyo were shaping up to become an OfficialCouple, due to all the ShipTease; particularly in the anime[[note]]which played this up even more; including by having Ryoga rescue Ukyo in the second non-serial movie ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GApD5uG5IlE Nihao My Concubine]]''[[/note]], due to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4VTmtTtkE4 scenes like these.]] Rumiko tried to sink the pairing with the ''"Tunnel of Lost Love"'' story, then officially paired Ryoga with Akari, whil giving Ukyo her own would-be suitor, Konatsu. You can guess how well that ''[[FanPreferredCouple didn't work.]]'' The problem?

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* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'': The fandom believed Ryoga and Ukyo were shaping up to become an OfficialCouple, due to all the ShipTease; particularly in the anime[[note]]which played this up even more; including by having Ryoga rescue Ukyo in the second non-serial movie ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GApD5uG5IlE Nihao My Concubine]]''[[/note]], due to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4VTmtTtkE4 scenes like these.]] Rumiko tried to sink the pairing with the ''"Tunnel of Lost Love"'' story, then officially paired Ryoga with Akari, whil giving while Ukyo her own was given Konatsu as another would-be suitor, Konatsu.suitor (in addition to Tsubasa). You can guess how well that ''[[FanPreferredCouple didn't work.]]'' The problem?
9th Feb '18 11:58:00 AM MiinU
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* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'': The fandom believed Ryoga and Ukyo were shaping up to become an OfficialCouple, due to all the ShipTease; particularly in the anime[[note]]which played this up even more; including by having Ryoga rescue Ukyo in the second non-serial movie ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GApD5uG5IlE Nihao My Concubine]]''[[/note]], [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH9pwdGYOyY due to scenes like these.]] Rumiko tried to sink the pairing with the ''"Tunnel of Lost Love"'' story, then officially paired Ryoga with Akari, whil giving Ukyo her own would-be suitor, Konatsu. You can guess how well that ''[[FanPreferredCouple didn't work.]]'' The problem?

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* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'': The fandom believed Ryoga and Ukyo were shaping up to become an OfficialCouple, due to all the ShipTease; particularly in the anime[[note]]which played this up even more; including by having Ryoga rescue Ukyo in the second non-serial movie ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GApD5uG5IlE Nihao My Concubine]]''[[/note]], due to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH9pwdGYOyY due to com/watch?v=G4VTmtTtkE4 scenes like these.]] Rumiko tried to sink the pairing with the ''"Tunnel of Lost Love"'' story, then officially paired Ryoga with Akari, whil giving Ukyo her own would-be suitor, Konatsu. You can guess how well that ''[[FanPreferredCouple didn't work.]]'' The problem?
4th Feb '18 9:24:42 AM Isaac_Heller
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** The writers have a strong tendency to overdo the scenes with Sora and Riku. Most people seem to agree that the actual ''fumble'' comes when they reunite in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', in which Kairi and Sora simply have a hug (which, at first, he makes somewhat awkward-looking by not hugging back for a few seconds), while in the reunion with Riku, he gets on his knees and cries his eyes out going "I looked for you!". At the same time, though, the series makes it very clear that Sora loves Kairi. While it never quite gets to the level of that scene, pretty much all of Sora and Riku's interactions in ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' is heavy on the HoYay. This probably stands out most near the end [[spoiler:while Sora is comatose]].

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** The writers have a strong tendency to overdo the scenes with Sora and Riku. Most people seem to agree that the actual ''fumble'' comes when they reunite in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', in which Kairi and Sora simply have a hug (which, at first, he makes somewhat awkward-looking by not hugging back for a few seconds), seconds out of surprise), while in the reunion with Riku, he gets on his knees and cries his eyes out going "I looked for you!". At the same time, though, the series makes it very clear that Sora loves Kairi. Kairi, and he ''did'' get on his knees for her too earlier, albeit not in front of her and [[AintTooProudToBeg in a sadder context]].
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While it never quite gets to the level of that scene, pretty much all of Sora and Riku's interactions in ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' is heavy on the HoYay. This probably stands out most near the end [[spoiler:while Sora is comatose]].
1st Feb '18 6:23:00 PM CheeseDogX
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* Mulder and Scully of ''Series/TheXFiles'' are a classic example. The idea that the characters would have an intense platonic relationship but ''not'' be sexually or romantically interested in one another was firmly established in the original idea for the series, and the writers repeated it in interviews for years. But by around Season 5 or so the characters seemed to have different ideas, and eventually the writers went with it.

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* Mulder and Scully of ''Series/TheXFiles'' are a classic example. The idea that the characters would have an intense platonic relationship but ''not'' be sexually or romantically interested in one another was firmly established in the original idea for the series, and the writers repeated it in interviews for years. But by around Season 5 or so the characters seemed to have different ideas, and eventually the writers went with it. It's an interesting case of a Relationship Writing Fumble becoming a canon relationship.
1st Feb '18 6:20:41 PM CheeseDogX
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*** Website/SFDebris has pointed out in his reviews how scary it is how much chemistry Harry has with Tom than with any of the show's other characters. [[RunningGag "But I'm sure there's nothing gay about this."]]

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*** Website/SFDebris has pointed out in his reviews how scary it is how much chemistry Harry has with Tom than with any of the show's other characters. Like the episode where Tom gleefully points out all the times Harry fell for a woman who for one reason or another he stood zero chance with. [[RunningGag "But I'm sure there's nothing gay about this."]]
1st Feb '18 6:15:10 PM CheeseDogX
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** Earlier, like all the way back in Season 1, there was Samantha and Daniel, who seemed to hit it off and share several very shippy emotional scenes. These dropped off significantly later on, so this can probably be chalked up to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. However, in what was intended to be [[PutOnABus Daniel's swansong]], Samantha weeps over his fatally injured body saying she never told him how she felt about him. Which is just... weird.

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** Earlier, like all the way back in Season 1, there was Samantha and Daniel, who seemed to hit it off and share several very shippy emotional scenes. These dropped off significantly later on, so this can probably be chalked up to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. Also, it would have been rather inappropriate, since Daniel's whole reason for being on the team was to rescue his wife from the Goa'uld. However, in what was intended to be [[PutOnABus Daniel's swansong]], Samantha weeps over his fatally injured body saying she never told him how she felt about him. Which is just... weird.
1st Feb '18 6:00:56 PM CheeseDogX
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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'': When J.R.R Tolkien made Sam and Frodo one of fantasy's signature [[HeterosexualLifePartners BFFs]], he probably didn't realize that there would be those who interpret it romantically. The whole world he created in fact has different standards, standards that would normally be respected today. People are openly, emotionally and physically affectionate without it being perceived as emasculating or sexual. At the time he was writing, especially considering Tolkien's own life experiences, this sort of friendship was common and even encouraged--although playing it for HoYay was not unheard of either. (See [[Analysis/TheLordOfTheRings analysis]].)

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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'': When J.R.R Tolkien made Sam and Frodo one of fantasy's signature [[HeterosexualLifePartners BFFs]], he probably didn't realize that there would be those who interpret it romantically. The whole world he created in fact has different standards, standards that would normally be respected today. People are openly, emotionally and physically affectionate without it being perceived as emasculating or sexual. At the time he was writing, especially considering Tolkien's own life experiences, this sort of friendship was common and even encouraged--although playing it for HoYay was not unheard of either. (See [[Analysis/TheLordOfTheRings analysis]].)) as well as [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/TheLordOfTheRings the LotR Ho Yay page]] (yeah, it gets a whole page to itself).
1st Feb '18 5:55:38 PM CheeseDogX
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** Harry and Hermione. Likely due to the fact that Creator/DanielRadcliffe and Creator/EmmaWatson had more natural chemistry, the amount of Harry/Hermione subtext in the movies is astounding. There are ''added'' scenes in almost every movie that (if it were any other series) would suggest they were the OfficialCouple. There is a large group of fans who did not read the books and just watched the movies who were certain that Harry and Hermione were going to end up together. The films' head writer Creator/SteveKloves, while reading the books, thought Harry and Hermione would end up together and told J.K. Rowling he was surprised when they didn't; this has often been [[GodNeverSaidThat twisted by fan word-of-mouth]] into Kloves being a rabid shipper of the pairing and actively trying to undermine the canonical couples.

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** Harry and Hermione. Likely due to the fact that Creator/DanielRadcliffe and Creator/EmmaWatson had more natural chemistry, the amount of Harry/Hermione subtext in the movies is astounding. There are ''added'' scenes in almost every movie that (if it were any other series) would suggest they were the OfficialCouple. There is a large group of fans who did not read the books and just watched the movies who were certain that Harry and Hermione were going to end up together. Which is not to say that there are no Harry/Hermione shippers among the fans of the books, see the Literature section for more info. The films' head writer Creator/SteveKloves, while reading the books, thought Harry and Hermione would end up together and told J.K. Rowling he was surprised when they didn't; this has often been [[GodNeverSaidThat twisted by fan word-of-mouth]] into Kloves being a rabid shipper of the pairing and actively trying to undermine the canonical couples.
1st Feb '18 5:47:41 PM CheeseDogX
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** In every film in which Luna appears, there's at least one scene between her and Harry that can be taken as ShipTease, only one of which (him bringing her as his date to Slughorn's party) was in the books. Combine this with the fact that Harry and Ginny's courtship was [[StrangledByTheRedString seriously abbreviated]] from the books, and one gets the distinct impression the writers were only grudgingly admitting Ginny was the intended love interest. Interestingly, Luna was [[ImpliedLoveInterest sorta-kinda paired up]] with [[spoiler:Neville]] in the finale, which also wasn't in the books.

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** In every film in which Luna appears, there's at least one scene between her and Harry that can be taken as ShipTease, only one of which (him bringing her as his date to Slughorn's party) was in the books. Combine this with the fact that Harry and Ginny's courtship was [[StrangledByTheRedString seriously abbreviated]] from the books, and one gets the distinct impression the writers were only grudgingly admitting Ginny was the intended love interest. Interestingly, Luna was [[ImpliedLoveInterest sorta-kinda paired up]] with [[spoiler:Neville]] in the finale, which also wasn't in the books. In the books they both marry other people (Luna marries someone who wasn't even in the books), prompting [[spoiler:Neville's]] actor to say in an interview that their relationship was basically a summer fling.
28th Jan '18 8:17:01 AM swedishpagan
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** The same problem was introduced along with Castiel. The writers use dozens of [[YouAreWorthHell romantic]] [[HeldGaze tropes]] and hint that Dean is AmbiguouslyBi but deny there's anything between the two.
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