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MarqFJA
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01:06:07 AM Nov 26th 2013
edited by 176.44.50.213
Just to be sure, a Proud Scholar Race can also be a Proud Warrior Race, right?
Martello
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11:02:55 AM Feb 18th 2012
Zero Context Examples here. Anybody who knows the source or cares more can add them back with explanation.

Anime: Sub-bullet to Princess Mononoke example:
  • Played straight with the Boars.

Comic Books:
  • The Kree in the Marvel Universe. To a certain degree the Skrulls have this too.
    • This trope is even mentioned by name about the Skrulls in New Avengers #32.
    • And the Shi'ar. Nice variety in your aliens, Marvel. Then again, I suppose it makes some sense that the proud warrior races have already conquered most of the less aggressive aliens.
    • X-Men antagonists the people of the Breakworld are a particularly extreme example.
  • Every other alien race in The DCU seems to be composed of warriors. The Khund, The Thanagarians and the Daxamites, for example.

The entire "Fan Works" folder:
     Fan Works 
  • All the skahs are like this in With Strings Attached, even the mild-mannered Grunnel, who simply cannot understand why the four object to certain things, and comments that they don't understand him, either.

Movies:

joeyjojo
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12:35:08 AM Aug 15th 2010
edited by joeyjojo
pulled.

''By and large this trope is an example of Did Not Do Research. Writers habitually don't appreciate that militaries are elaborate fighting machines that need to be operating at peak efficiency as a matter of life an death. This means everything from figuring out how to deploy forces quickly to figuring out what firing pattern is going to have maximum effect to constructing elaborate 3-dimensional maneuvers using wide array of equipment. This is why most countries have military academies. On top of that, any successful military cultures usually requires most people to be tactfully know when to make critiques and when to hold their tongues. When you think about it, it really makes sense that etiquette driven cultures that historically prevailed in France, Prussia and the Antebellum South produced some of the most celebrated armies in history. By contrast, the honor bound troglodytes portrayed in fiction would most likely be slaughtered en mass in the face of an army with a reasonably well trained officer corps. Consider it a deconstruction if the honor bound troglodytes actually are slaughtered.

Writers using this trope tend to think of the "warrior," the lone fighter whose final authorities are his own goals and his own conscience, as superior to the "soldier", who obeys orders and does what his superiors say. WWII saw two warrior-ethos cultures lose to three soldier-ethos ones, but that doesn't always happen — see this book. Of course in any case the two styles are not without overlap, and people from a "warrior" culture can learn discipline and be handy as "soldiers" (this occurred in Hawaii, for example, and the Spartans fought as phalanxes). The outdated idea of Martial Race created by the British in India is an attempt to classify people as proud warrior races.''

it's natter with a side helping of Writer on Board, most of the time the Proud Warrior Race Guy does get his ass handed to him when it comes to a fight anyway.

jora
03:01:05 PM Mar 6th 2011
But why does any of the above justify cutting the RL entry? It's a cultural phenomena that has nothing to do with the 'facts' of who killed who, or who won what war, or anything that 'actually' happened. It's about perception and culture, not facts. Stop crying about generalizations (that's what most tropes are btw) and get over your faux-intellectual, high-minded, egocentric selves. Now, piece your dignity and self-respect back together, and put it back up, but edit out whatever doesn't fit Proud Warrior Race Guy- a person who is proud about being part of a warrior culture. Done.
BazBake
08:18:44 PM Aug 2nd 2011
Even the examples of modern "Proud Warrior Race Guys" are bizarre. B.A. Baracus and Hawk don't fight because all black people like to fight, they fight because they were paid to fight (soldier and police officer). Kato doesn't fight because all Chinese people are a race of warriors, he fights because he's a bodyguard.

One of the guidelines for "Proud Warrior Race Guy" should have to be his repeated reference to his RACIAL WARRIORHOOD, not just the fact that he likes to fight and isn't white.
jackalope044
11:17:55 PM Aug 27th 2011
Isn't the whole point of a wiki that people with more knowledge on a subject are supposed to correct things added by those with less knowledge?

If you get rid of a section just because misinformation continues to be added, that's more that you're just too lazy to correct it than it needs to be removed.
jackalope044
11:19:26 PM Aug 27th 2011
Also, if you're going to get rid of the real life examples for this, then shouldn't you get rid of the real life examples for Proud Scholar Race and Proud Merchant Race?

Consistency, is all.
BigT
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04:59:48 PM Jun 19th 2010
Did this trope use to be called The Klingon? I found an old link that seemed to be referring to this page, but used that name for the trope. I've already potholed, but I'm still curious.
DialgaX
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09:05:31 AM Mar 27th 2010
edited by Weaver
Seriously, why did the real life section get deleted? Yes, there is a lot of natter but the outdated "Martial Race" ideology used by the British fits perfectly with this trope.

     Real Life 
Viv
05:35:51 AM Apr 28th 2010
Agreed. Restore it.
Ghilz
10:49:16 AM May 14th 2010
No, keep it cut, for the love of god. Half of it is people who don't know what a caste is, the other half is pandering to often inaccurate racial stereotypes. And lets not even get into all the natter and Did Not Do The Research.
76.27.231.166
10:52:03 AM May 15th 2010
Doesn't the word "outdated" imply that it was once true? Perhaps another word might be more logical, unless that is what you wish to imply?
DialgaX
03:06:23 PM May 15th 2010
I wanted to imply that it was once true (as seen by the British).
Viv
12:03:09 AM May 22nd 2010
How is the definition of caste wrong? Rajputs were raised to be soldiers, much of the officer class of the Indian army today is either Rajput or Sikh.

Warrior cults have been found throughout history. Historically, the Spartans were militarily ineffective, but the guys themselves were the defintion of warrior race guy.
BigT
04:57:39 PM Jun 19th 2010
Just put in that real life examples must go to the discussion page first. And keep the British example.
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