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Main Flanderization Discussion
Can someone describe the Pokémon entry a little better and concise than "collection of running gags"?
I associate hippies with dirt, free love and smoking pot. What exactly is "clean living" about that?
Why is this Subjective? It gives a definition of the term, why it might be bad, and why it might be good. Sounds like every other trope page.
Left 4 Dead 2:
I cut this bit out since it IS about completely different characters rather than strict flanderization, and even the fake-flanderization argument doesn't really hold in all cases. However, since it's a lot of text, holding it here in case someone wants it back.
- Although they're technically different characters, the four survivors in Left 4 Dead 2 could be considered Flanderizations of the personalities of the original four survivors:
- Francis in the first game was shown to be a Jerk With A Heart Of Gold, who acted tough and rude but was actually a sensitive guy with a genuine interest in the safety of his companions for reasons other than his own survival. Nick, his replacement in 2, throws out the "Facade" part of Francis' Jerkass Facade, very obviously caring only about himself and generally being a total scumbag, lacking Francis' redeeming good side.
- Louis was an optimistic Everyman who the others thought might be slightly detached from reality because of his seemingly perpetually optimistic outlook on the whole Zombie Apocalypse situation; he actually was fully aware of what was going on - he was just confusingly lighthearted about it. Ellis, his replacement in 2, is a total Cloud Cuckoolander / The Ditz who genuinely doesn't grasp the severity of the situation because he's not intelligent enough to be capable of doing so.
- Bill was a Vietnam War veteran who worked well under the pressure he faced in the apocalypse, managing to stay calm for the most part, but still became quite impatient and short-tempered at times because he really wanted to get everyone to safety ASAP, due to a sort of fatherly instinct. Coach, his replacement in 2, keeps Bill's short temper, but is otherwise just a generic Scary Black Man who doesn't seem to demonstrate the "fatherly instinct" aspect that made Bill an important and likable part of the team.
- Zoey was a definite Action Girl, very Genre Savvy after having watched loads of zombie movies and fully capable in the apocalyptic world. Rochelle, her replacement in 2, lacks the "Action" part, instead being consigned to nothing beyond the role of The Chick / token female in the group and being widely regarded as a Replacement Scrappy.
Under Mahou Sensei Negima:
- This one got explained. She started using a demon sword that's possessing her.
Is it just me, or does the lengthy list of tropes which seem to have become flanderized (according to the person who added it, of course) itself appear to have become flanderized? It seems to have become just an excuse for people to bitch about tropes or trope pages they don't happen to like very much.
The other points in the 'TV Tropes' section seem fair enough, but do we really need the list? It takes up half the page, after all. And if the problems with these tropes are really that bad, it's a matter for Trope Repair Shop, surely?
The name isn't very indicative. I wouldn't rename it for the world, of course, but I'm thinking of adding a redirect with a clearer name. Is something like Personality Conquering Quirk or Character Conquering Quirk all right, or just confusing?
I've made my thoughts about the long list of Flanderized Tropes above, but I see it's been moved from a subpage back into the main page.
Leaving aside the earlier debate (which I still think is valid), surely if anything's worthy of putting on a sub-page, it's that? Whatever else can be said about it, it's massive and it takes up half the friggin' page for goodness sake.
Posted in the Western Animation Flanderization discussion, but I thought I'd ask it here (My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic):
OK, so it's possible that Big Macintosh has been Flanderized, but it's also entirely possible that it's an aspect of his character that we haven't seen. I would like to keep the original possibility of him being Flanderized while also presenting the possibility that this is just an aspect of his character. I added this in:
- To be fair, though, he's only seen talking to Applejack. When Twilight Sparkle is around, he only has one line. In many of his other appearances, he's around the residents of Ponyville. It's entirely possible that this is the reason why he doesn't speak much (he's uncomfortable doing it around people he is unfamiliar with).